What is your take on asking for your lost gear back?

Greg D wrote: So, if I climb when the forecast calls for 90% chance of rain, then have to bail... God's fault or my fault?

Depends where you live. Here there have been forecasts of 90% rain and a hurricane warning, and we dident get any rain or hurricane. Also seen 0% chance of rain and got a flood.

It's all booty gear until somebody gets hurt.

Weakness, fear, darkness, rockfall, avalanche, sleet, lightning or rain = BOOTY

That's not to say that the finder can't give it back but it should be considered booty by the team that left it.
I bailed because I feared injury or death and the price of leaving my gear behind pales in comparison to life or limb.

What about people stashing their gear to return the next day, like in alpine cragging? It sounds like for most people here they wouldn't hesitate to grab the whole bag and blame the victim for being careless and not packing their gear out?

Where do you draw the line between outright theft and finders keepers?

O.L.D.S.A.G. wrote:What about people stashing their gear to return the next day, like in alpine cragging? It sounds like for most people here they wouldn't hesitate to grab the whole bag and blame the victim for being careless and not packing their gear out? Where do you draw the line between outright theft and finders keepers?

That's called theft.

doligo wrote: That's called theft.

I agree with this. When gear is left on purpose, with an obvious intent on coming back, it shouldn't be taken by others.

Here's another example of "Are you really asking for this back?":

mountainproject.com/v/lost-…

John Marsella wrote: Dude. That 'flop has major sentimental value

Oh sorry. I obviously need sensitivity training. I'll work on that.

What about gear that has sentimental value? For example, one of my friends has a locker and ATC that belonged to one of his late friends who passed in a tragic skiing accident. What if he was forced to bail with that locker? Would it still be considered booty?

eli poss wrote:What about gear that has sentimental value? For example, one of my friends has a locker and ATC that belonged to one of his late friends who passed in a tragic skiing accident. What if he was forced to bail with that locker? Would it still be considered booty?

Yes, booty. If it were so important, he should have left a different one behind. Or carried a backup.

All,

I was projecting Pony Up in CCC last Tuesday and left a set of DMM draws hanging. When I came back this morning for the red point attempt, lo and behold... no draws. I'm not going to make any assumptions or anything, but I would like my gear back. Please PM me if you know any details.

Thanks

Jon Zucco wrote:All, I was projecting Pony Up in CCC last Tuesday and left a set of DMM draws hanging. When I came back this morning for the red point attempt, lo and behold... no draws. I'm not going to make any assumptions or anything, but I would like my gear back. Please PM me if you know any details. Thanks

Did they have sentimental value or just economic value? :)

John Marsella wrote: Frank, you really gotta get on that sensitivity training. Can't you see JZ is broken up about not finishing the route? He needs the draws to become whole again-- to repair the deep emotional wound in his heart that is Pony Up (5.8 X).

I was backsliding. I shall redouble my efforts to be a more compassionate human being. Thanks for staying on me about that, John. I think of you as my compassion coach.

Anybody lose a rock climbing carabiner ? This guy found it...

mountainproject.com/v/found…

vincent L. wrote:Anybody lose a rock climbing carabiner ? This guy found it... mountainproject.com/v/found…

attached to a stuck nut just above the piton on pitch two of Crescent Crack, LCC. unfortunately I was unable to get your pro back as well. Pm if you want it back


Ha, it sounds more like a bail rig to me and whoever left it intentionally fixed the nut. It's funny how the good samaritan worked hard to get the nut unstuck...

It's the cycle of gear life. Somebody bailed and left behind two stoppers, a cam, several nice carabiners, lockers and a nearly new 70m rope. I posted about it and nobody replied. I felt kind of guilty about it until I had to bail off something and got a core shot in my new 60m 9.2 in addition to losing some other minor items. I'll make an effort to return a significant amount of gear but some stuff just isn't worth the effort. Nature of the game!

eli poss wrote:What about gear that has sentimental value? For example, one of my friends has a locker and ATC that belonged to one of his late friends who passed in a tragic skiing accident. What if he was forced to bail with that locker? Would it still be considered booty?

So in this hypothetical, a guy needs a locker to bail, has a locker and an atc that are sentimental, needs to use that sentimental locker to bail (thus allowing us to assume that he has either no other biners or maybe other biners that are even more sentimental), and somehow is now bailing without a locker or any other biner to attach himself to the rope he's bailing with? So is he doing a dulfersitz rappel or something?

kevin deweese wrote: So in this hypothetical, a guy needs a locker to bail, has a locker and an atc that are sentimental, needs to use that sentimental locker to bail (thus allowing us to assume that he has either no other biners or maybe other biners that are even more sentimental), and somehow is now bailing without a locker or any other biner to attach himself to the rope he's bailing with? So is he doing a dulfersitz rappel or something?

Obviously he is having to bail because he ran out of gear. I am assuming he had to use the single biner to hook himself into the point he is at (maybe a ledge) then untie and then repel or lower himself with no gear not even a biner. Maybe he even had a to leave the ATC as a nut to protect where he was repelling / lowering from but of course there was no other gear but a harness on at the time. (heck maybe he even had to take the harness off.

/sarcasm

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