bent BD Camalot X4

johnnyrig wrote: No doubt similar in many respects to the old "I am a climbing God and you are not worthy" routine. Yes, I'm a dick. But not to worry... I'm perfectly willing to concede that slim could win the pissing contest any day, without effort. He's just that much of a bigger... well, you know.

please, just point out something that i have posted about you that isn't accurate.

Bullshit, someone took repeated falls on a .2 X4 all the time, bends it back and climbs on.

I cant believe that i send my x4 back after I fall on it and get another.

Oh and didn't we have a conversation about less than bomber micro cams not holding falls?

It's because you're fat.

slim wrote: please, just point out something that i have posted about you that isn't accurate.

I bet you're not as big a douche in real life as you are on this forum.

Please let me know if that isn't accurate.

You're trying too hard. Slow down, take a few more days, then try a less projecting comeback. Humor would probably help too. I have faith in you and know you're more capable than what you're displaying in this thread.

holy cow.

this thread (site) is in a tailspin.

people are getting offended and pooping in mouths on the first goddam page.

disgraceful.

All of my X4s look like that.. You're good dude!

Stop asking the community who didn't engineer and test the piece. Just send it to Black Diamond. It's not worth yours or someone else's life. If you question it then send it in. Lets show some common sense people, not anecdotal opinions.

Matt

slim;
That first link you posted shows that its not a kink we are discussing but a flat spot. page_9, fig_6c.
The kink they show fig_6b would make me shit my pants.

I've straighten many of my cams and nuts out and continue to climb on them with confidence.
Inspect the area after and if there are no broken wires and the weave is still tight and uniform, you're good to go.

If in doubt throw it out!

bearbreeder posted some information about WC Friends' heads breaking after repeated bending and straightening.

O.L.D.S.A.G. wrote:bearbreeder posted some information about WC Friends' heads breaking after repeated bending and straightening.

That's what I said! Nobody listens to the fat kid..

Bill Kirby wrote: That's what I said! Nobody listens to the fat kid..

You said something?

O.L.D.S.A.G. wrote: You said something?

Haha,exactly!

O.L.D.S.A.G. wrote:bearbreeder posted some information about WC Friends' heads breaking after repeated bending and straightening.

They were 20 years old, i'm guessing that they'd been bent more than once, and that some of the individual wires had broken before the whole cable failed.

MorganH wrote: They were 20 years old, i'm guessing that they'd been bent more than once, and that some of the individual wires had broken before the whole cable failed.

^^^^^^this made me go back and get my shit together ^^^^^^

Bearbreeder and others were explaining that small cam placements are marginal at best a couple months ago. It wasnt that cams were breaking. Does this matter when bending cables back? Shouldn't small cams be in perfect condition? I'm asking..

Slim you're failing to consider at what cyclic rate the wire manufactures call serious fatigue. A couple of bends back and forth really. Even 20-30.
It really does depend on the severity of the bending but if you can straighten the cable out and not able to distinguish it from new then I don't see a problem.

You're absolutely correct that repeated bending will eventually lead to failure of the cable. Is it 1-2, 10-15 or 10000-12000.

Again if there is no visible damage it good to go.
Just to clarify a bit, if you can straighten it out by hand and not with a vice and hammer.

i don't see how you are saying there is no visible damage. it is already completely apparent that the cable has a fair amount of plastic deformation, so right off the bat you aren't in a high cycle fatigue situation, you are in a low cycle fatigue situation. you won't be able to bend it back to normal without incurring more damage (much less somehow returning it to full strength).

Should I buy the link cams made by Omega?

that's cheating - makes it easier to fish into weird pods :) every once in a while you get one like that. i don't really like them like that, seems like it is always bent in the opposite direction of how i would like that. i usually just fish a different one out of the tupperware. just don't bend it back...