Careful driving toward and away from Vedauwoo/ BS traffic stops
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Got pulled over driving home from Vedauwoo for no reason except for having Colorado plates. Wyoming cops are definitely stopping Colorado vehicles looking for pot, even on the way back home. |
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It wouldn't be too hard to prove if you really wanted to pursue it. All calls to the police department should be recorded by that agency and have to be released under open record acts (at least in Colorado, not sure of specific Wyoming laws). All you would have to do is request the tape of the call about this so called truck on the tracks. They would of course charge you for the recording and any other paper trail they kept of the call. |
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They are like keds on a sheep up there, state patrol, Albany County sheriff, Laramie police, UW police. Driving an F350 with WY tags with an AR15 on the rack? No problem... You are a law abiding citizen despite the "TAKE IT" sticker on your rig. Subaru with CO tags and a pack of climbing gear? A threat to society... |
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You let them run everyone's IDs? Maybe with their BS story they could get away with running your ID, but the passengers do not have to give IDs. Without probable cause, they only are required to tell them their names. |
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Thanks for the heads up. I drove home that way yesterday. Cheers |
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I don't smoke weed, I'm not even interested. Been there, done that, got better things to do with my time since it does nothing good for me. YMMV. |
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Scheid wrote:You let them run everyone's IDs? Maybe with their BS story they could get away with running your ID, but the passengers do not have to give IDs. Without probable cause, they only are required to tell them their names.Everyone in the country, including 20kn, is going to let them run ID's if they're "not doing anything wrong". Civil liberties get violated every second in this country and putting up a fight to it comes with consequences. They should consider themselves lucky for not being harassed further for doing nothing wrong. |
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I would be very cautious, unarmed citizens are shot by the police or beaten by police in this country on a regular basis. They know they can get away with this. At most they will get administrative leave if they taze you or even grease you, "we thought he had a gun", after all you might... |
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RobC2 wrote:Don't drive weed through Wyoming.Or Nebraska, or Utah, or Kansas, or Texas....... |
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Heard indirectly from someone in Wyoming law enforcement.(Sort of, Game Warden = enforcement, but was relating what he's heard from more traditional enforcement types). |
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Max Supertramp wrote:"most I70 drug traffic is a single person driving a late model SUV" i kinda doubt this.True or not, it is who is getting pulled over. Why would they profile this if it wasn't effective for them though? |
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This is pretty disturbing. Thanks for the heads up. They were doing the same stuff up here in Montana not long back. Supposedly checking for proper insurance. |
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That is why you lock your doors as you get out "by habit" (take your key with you, lol) and you don't answer questions beyond your name and address. Don't consent to interrogation or searches. They don't help you at all, despite what they may pressure you into thinking, and only increase the chance that you will make an innocent mistake that bags you, especially if you actually have something. It is important to protect your rights though, even if you think you are doing nothing wrong. You have no obligation to chat politely with a cop or respond to everything they ask as you would in normal polite social interaction. Keep your mouth shut! |
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nicelegs wrote:Stickers have always been a quick invitation to break ins, it blows my mind that people still use them. Mine stay on the stove and propane tank.I have so many stickers and not a single one is on my truck for that very reason. Pull me over I'm drunk / stoned, I have a lot of climbing gear / snowboards etc etc. You can tell a lot about someone by their stickers and what they "might" have or be doing. |
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First thing, ask if you are being arrested or detained? If they answer no... then you are free to leave. You do not have to answer any of their questions. You are under no obligation to show your ID, this includes your passengers. |
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Craig Childre wrote:First thing, ask if you are being arrested or detained? If they answer no... then you are free to leave. You do not have to answer any of their questions. You are under no obligation to show your ID, this includes your passengers.You better double check that, because the courts have said otherwise, and it is at least state-dependent. |
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Was pulled over w/ my gf around February, officer asked for me ID and I complied. Told her I didn't know it was legal for an officer to ask for a passenger's ID. She did not respond to the remark. Anyway this is called Stop & Identify Laws. And as it appears, since I just now looked it up. In RI if you fail to identify, the officer has the right to detain you for up to two hours before releasing you. Check your state folks. |
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Mike Morin wrote: A once over that was very likely a search without consent as he opened my drivers side door to presumably get my VIN and took a very long look inside. Definitely an intense experience that was a result of some pretty serious profiling by an over zealous officer.The VIN on any modern vehicle is on the dashboard, where it can be seen through the windshield. The officer should have known this. So yes, opening the driver's door probably was a search. |
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Yeah, I would identify myself if asked and hand over license, registration and insurance card . That is about it. You do have to act on an officers order though, for instance if they order you out of the car. There is a difference between a request and an order. Ask concisely which it is. "Is that a request or an order?" They will probably give you shit over it, but that is their problem. |
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I'm pretty sure we had a Supreme Court case (from WY, iirc) that decided it was legal and constitutional for an officer to request ID and/or request that you identify yourself, and that you are obligated to respond. Maybe this varies from state to state, I dunno. But I seem to remember some WY libertarian type losing his appeal when he refused to ID himself just because he didn't think he had to. Maybe it was MT, I'm not sure. |
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I would imagine that giving any hassle in terms of an ID won't do you any favors. Bump to the top! |