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Patrick Shyvers wrote: I don't know how widely it is used, but there is roundup ready corn. But in any case: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyph…

WIDELY: web.mit.edu/demoscience/Mon…

And there's at least 1 known issue developing that monsanto will admit... resistance.

And to my point about the science being questionable..

"It is also an exaggeration, however, to state that there are no health risks associated with GE. For one thing, not enough is known: research on the effects of specific genes has been limited—and tightly controlled by the industry.

ucsusa.org/food_and_agricul…

redlude97 wrote: Lets be sure we understand the difference between a pesticide and herbicide first

His usage of the word pesticide is completely acceptable.

A pesticide is any substance that reduces the impact of pests. Weeds in cropping systems are considered pests and herbicides kill them. Therefore, herbicides are pesticides.

And no, glyphosate is not included on the list of approved organic pesticides by the USDA.

ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfil…

Morgan Patterson wrote: WIDELY: web.mit.edu/demoscience/Mon… And there's at least 1 big issues developing... resistance.

Which is highly ironic, as roundup resistance is decried as "playing God" and "unnatural", yet here these weeds are developing roundup resistance on their own...

Patrick Shyvers wrote: Which is highly ironic, as roundup resistance is decried as "playing God" and "unnatural", yet here these weeds are developing roundup resistance on their own...

totally irrelevant... that a process of evolution, a natural process.

And as for alternatives to which some act there isn't...

GE and Industrial Agriculture
As the superweed crisis illustrates, current applications of genetic engineering have become a key component of an unsustainable approach to food production: industrial agriculture, with its dependence on monoculture—supported by costly chemical inputs—at the expense of the long-term health and productivity of the farm.

A different approach to farming is available—what UCS calls "healthy farms." This approach is not only more sustainable than industrial agriculture, but often more cost-effective. Yet as long as the marketplace of agricultural products and policies is dominated by the industrial model, prioritizing expensive products over knowledge-based agroecological approaches, healthy farm solutions face an uphill battle.

In the case of GE, better solutions include crop breeding (often assisted by molecular biology techniques) and agroecological practices such as crop rotation, cover crops, and integrated crop/livestock management.

Such healthy farm practices are the future of U.S. agriculture—and policymakers can help speed the transition by supporting research and education on them. In the meantime, stronger regulation of the biotechnology industry is needed to minimize health and environmental risks from GE products.

Union of Concerned Scientist: ucsusa.org/food_and_agricul…

Dave Bn wrote: His usage of the word pesticide is completely acceptable. A pesticide is any substance that reduces the impact of pests. Weeds in cropping systems are considered pests and herbicides kill them. Therefore, herbicides are pesticides. And no, glyphosate is not included on the list of approved organic pesticides by the USDA. ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfil…

He wasn't talking about glyphosate, he was talking about the GE of corn to produce the insecticide Bt proteins. This is widely used in organic farming http://www.bt.ucsd.edu/organic_farming.html
Yes herbicides are pesticides. I should have said insectiside. The reason to differentiate between different pesticide types(herbicides/insectiides) is that the targets and possible negative interactions with human biochemical processes is substantially different, and thus their risk.

Morgan Patterson wrote: totally irrelevant... that a process of evolution, a natural process.

One quick point, Morgan... are you separating humans from 'natural'? It seems to me that all things change their environments in one way or another. I think, personally, that it is just too easy and simplistic to equate human induced change as 'bad' and non-human induced change as 'natural' (with the implied 'good' connotation). Just a thought.

Seedless grapes and watermelons, certain colored apples and grapes as well as every store bought banana is a GMO. (Wild banana's have seeds)

Bad for you? Lies,, lies..!! Beer is the nectar of the gods for post climbing recovery....nice load of carbs, delicate selection of hops and wonderful tastes,,,nothing like a cold micro brew after you get down from a real pumping route. 'Nuff said.