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Is this appropriate?

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Andy Novak · · Bailey, CO · Joined Aug 2007 · Points: 370

I am curious what people think of this video posted by EpicTV. It was made near Index, WA, and involves considerable "development" of a landing sight for the problem. The first minute or so is the most relevant.

epictv.com/content/dedicate…

What say you? Is this appropriate?

DanielRich · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 5

Really cool looking boulder I will give it to them but ya I would agree really poor form going that far with building the platform.

They put in the bolt to clean it they should have just TR'd it and left the area much more undisturbed. The cleaning of moss I am ok with but giant wood platforms? No go.

Mathias · · Loveland, CO · Joined Jun 2014 · Points: 306

Depends where it is. If it's national forest, then sure. The argument can be made that it's destructive to the natural environment etc, etc. But let's be honest, just accessing climbing and bouldering areas does that. I suppose there's the issue of what happens when it starts to degrade, and who removes the now dangerous platform but people move hazards from landing zones for safety reasons anyway. And if no-one else ever boulders there, perhaps no-one will visit that area again for a long time, so no-one will see it. It's natural material so you can't say it's going to negatively effect the wildlife now that it's constructed. Would I do something like that? No. But it doesn't mean I don't think others should be able to in certain situations.

BigNobody · · all over, mostly Utah · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 10

Good lord. "They" didn't put the bolt in. Look at it, the thing has a rusty head. And the platform? Really? You want to complain about a middle of no-where boulder (seemingly). It's in WA, that platform will deteriorate in 2 years (tounge in cheek). You guys have too much time on your hands if your posting about the appropriateness of this. Come to think of it, so do I, why am I conversing on this subject? Lets all get a freaking life eh?

Will Butler · · Lyons, CO · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 56

Totally koscher. Building out landings with naturally felled wood happens everywhere.

M Sprague · · New England · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 5,090

It is a little unusual, but I don't have a huge problem with it as long as they took it apart when they were done and scattered the pieces so it looked natural again and wasn't left to mess up somebody's 'wilderness experience'. It looks like they just used dead wood and it is probably out in the middle of nowhere.

Ecologically speaking, it has pretty much zero impact. It seems a little silly though. Why not just TR it? That is not much different than climbing over a giant padded landing and wouldn't require so much alteration. They probably were just having fun with the whole engineering of it. It is fun to build stuff with your friends. It is not much different than kids building a stick fort.

shotwell · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2011 · Points: 0

If I understand correctly, this is a boulder problem beside an existing problem with a pre-existing built up landing. The group in the video expanded the platform and subsequently rebuilt it when they realized they were falling further right than expected. Seems to be a well accepted local method of development.

Guy Keesee · · Moorpark, CA · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 349

I know some folks who would be pissed off.....

I know some land managers who would move in and shut it down...

To me it looks like a really cool problem that was wating to be cleaned and climbed.

and the fact that its in WA means that the whole platform will rot away in a few years, leaving only moss.

beensandbagged · · smallest state · Joined Oct 2013 · Points: 0

Nice piece of rock, those people need to get themselves a life.

M Sprague · · New England · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 5,090

If there was an old bolt at the top, doesn't it seem likely that it was climbed before?

Jon Nelson · · Redmond, WA · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 8,191

I like the video. The practice of building up landings is common here in WA, and I think it's great they showed that part of the process in the video.

A friend of mine put in the bolt about 10 years back or more, but couldn't do the problem, so he just left it there for the next guy.

The problem itself is well off the beaten path, and for those who don't like seeing manmade structures in the forest, well this is the NW and things get covered up pretty quick...

Mike McHugh · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2013 · Points: 420

I'm sure the B reel features footage of them diligently restoring the area (at least scattering the landing pad) when they were done. You know, leave no trace, letting other visitors enjoy pristine areas, yada yada.

Kevin DeWeese · · @failfalling - Oakland, Ca · Joined Jan 2007 · Points: 981
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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