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Question about ethics

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eli poss · · Durango, CO · Joined May 2014 · Points: 525

Something about climbing ethics i never understood was the climbing trails. i don't understand who climbers are intent on making trails quite difficult to hike, even when it doesn't need to be. I understand one doesn't always have a choice, but i have also heard complaints when people have tried to make a trail less energy demanding. i mean, in theory, if one didn't have to spend as much energy climbing 3rd or 4th class terrain they would have more energy to spend climbing the 5th class rock we all love when they finally get to it. don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to bring grandma up to the crags, it just seems like it would make sense to make the trails more energy conservative when possible. then you have almost all your energy when you get to the wall rather than needing to take a 5-10 min break when you get there. can someone explain this to me?

Tony Monbetsu · · Minneapolis, MN · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 616

I think the idea is to make the trail as "natural" as possible? The easier the trail, generally, the more the landscape has to be changed. Making trails with the least impact possible means making trails that might be a bit tough.

Personally, I like hiking as it's own activity, so I never mind the hike in.

StonEmber · · Raleigh, NC · Joined Mar 2013 · Points: 35

It's called Nature. Don't pave it bro

Kyler R · · SLC · Joined May 2013 · Points: 20

Get stronger. The more you hike the better you'll be. Go knock out some 10 mile loops with a backpack full of water.

That usually knocks the sand out from between peoples legs...

mark felber · · Wheat Ridge, CO · Joined Jul 2005 · Points: 41

Make the approach easy and the climbs will get more crowded. In places like Joshua Tree, the approach and down climb can be as much fun as the climb.

Frank Stein · · Albuquerque, NM · Joined Feb 2012 · Points: 205

It may be nature, but steep, loose trails cause an ungodly amount of erosion. When possible, trails should be constructed to minimize this, which involves trails that are easy to find and follow, have built in switchbacks, and are generally lower angle. There is nothing worse than parties charging willy-nilly up a loose, steep hillside because a trail is either inobvious or is disintegrating.

As for the OP, I have never experienced trails that are difficult on purpose, just trails that are difficult due to laziness. And, a good, well constructed trail may be longer and more difficult than a short and crappy, lazy trail.

eli poss · · Durango, CO · Joined May 2014 · Points: 525

i was just referring to a comment made after the trail to East A was redone
mountainproject.com/v/east-…
and about the crowded part, crowds are a good thing. not only is it a great thing to have more climbers in this world, it also prevents vegetation from growing on the trail. Then the less intelligent of the climbers won't end up going off the trail and disturbing the vegetation around the trail.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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