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Is MP the worst thing that has ever happened to climbing?

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Eldo Love · · Mancos,CO · Joined Sep 2012 · Points: 125

Mkay...rule #1... here we go

I know I've only been a member for a couple years now, been using MP a while longer than that. I have noticed that in the past few years that this site has become flooded with goobers, gapers, d-bags, what ever you call them (im sure plenty of you will be replying to this post). This site was founded with the most wonderful intention. To bring a small community of amazing people closer together. So why is it than when some newb asks a honest, simple question, that so many people feel the need to violate rule #1? Okay dude I get it, your a bad ass, does your mom know how cool you are? Opinions are like assholes, but mines nice and clean (most of the time, like when I'm at home/work on my computer trolling MP).

It seams like it is just like everything else on the internet. Remember when you used to be able to watch youtube without any commercials?? Its flooded with crap just like everything else! I've notice an unbelievable amount of terrible beta. "I placed 15 pieces of gear in 10 feet, with my first piece I used a screamer, it was absolutely the most terrifying thing I have ever done! I'd give it 5.11R!" (Its 5.8PG) If you don't have enough experience to rate a route then leave it to the ones who do, all you are doing is ruining the accreditation of those who have passionately dedicated their lives to this sport.

FA- unknown (im gonna smack you)

I see these beautiful local crags destroyed by spew. There is destination climbing and there are local crags. Destinations have guide books. Local crags should be kept secret and local. If you want to wiggle off the couch and go crush in a pristine area your an idiot (this is getting hard...dont be a jerk). That area may be someones entire life's work. You should seek out the local bad ass that spent the last 20 years, sweat and tears, thousands of dollars in bolts and drill bits establishing the area. If your not passionate or ambitious enough to do this then you don't deserve to be climbing there.

This could go on and on.

The stone masters must be screaming in their graves...

NC Rock Climber · · The Oven, AKA Phoenix · Joined Dec 2009 · Points: 60

LOL! I am pretty sure that you are blind to the irony of your post. Carry on.

M Mobley · · Bar Harbor, ME · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 911

the amount of butthurt climbers continues to grow

kyle howe · · Knoxville, TN · Joined May 2013 · Points: 394

Yes, ironically, this is a very opinionated post. I understand where you are coming from though, but MP is much like Wikipedia in that it provides a free space to share information, good and bad. My thoughts are that MP is great for sharing beta, but you do not have to agree with the beta or even give it the time of day. I, personally, would never rely exclusively on MP, but a local guidebook plus a little extra beta from MP is great for route finding. As for FA's, MP, IMO, has no credibility in this department, guidebooks on the other hand do have some authority because "the local bad ass that spent the last 20 years" was consulted before publishing, or the local bad ass published it him/herself. "Local crags should be kept secret and local" - if all local crags were kept secret, then no guidebooks would have ever been written, because all "local" crags were once secret and known only by the locals, but then word got out and they became "destination" climbing areas.

Climb on.

Optimistic · · New Paltz · Joined Aug 2007 · Points: 450

It's funny: over the past few months I'd actually been thinking that I ought to put up a "Thank You" post about how much nicer and more respectful people have become on this site over the past year or so, and how much more constructive the majority of the posts have been. Seriously, I think people have really cleaned up their act, with certain...ahem...noteworthy exceptions.

Or maybe I just have Stockholm Syndrome?

doug rouse · · Denver, CO. · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 660

There will always be those who dislike what you or others may have to say. When posting you need to take the good with the bad, or just keep clear of the forum, and acquire information from other sources. If someone makes an ignorant post about an area, and I know that it is BS, then I'll call someone out for that. If someone seems to have a genuine interest in an area, then sooner or later a person will surface with info that may be of use..None of this however should be allowed to affect your passion or interest in climbing rocks..Kinda like life in general..
Also, How many of the Stonemasters are actually dead?

Eldo Love · · Mancos,CO · Joined Sep 2012 · Points: 125
NC Rock Climber wrote:LOL! I am pretty sure that you are blind to the irony of your post. Carry on.
Haha! shit
Robert Mooring · · Lafayette · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 300

most of the stone masters are still alive....

Keith Boone · · Henderson, NV · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 492
snowhazed wrote:most of the stone masters are still alive....
and have taken up fly fishing.
The Blueprint Part Dank · · FEMA Region VIII · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 460

I would rather have route information without the FA if the person adding the route doesn't have the info, in general, the first couple of comments on a route will bring clarification as to who had the FA, who had the FFA if applicable, etc.

Chad Wagner · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2007 · Points: 75

+1 for the irony. Still ironic seeing Peyton in orange, Blueprint! More irony please!

Guy Keesee · · Moorpark, CA · Joined Mar 2008 · Points: 349

ELDO.... what is your point?

MP is just a web site.

You need to filter the BS from the gems.

And yes some Stonemasters still climb, and put up climbs, and share the love.

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276
Eldo Love wrote:So why is it than when some newb asks a honest, simple question, that so many people feel the need to violate rule #1?
This should answer your question.
Ryan Palo · · Bend, oregon · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 605

Id say it's more of a symptom of the need to brag/share every aspect of your life. I remember seeing secret/afterwork crags on rc.com and they were never overrun. Then came the cambrian explosion of social media and now you cant post a silhouette of a crag without someone tracking it down via google earth.

matt c. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 155

ELDO, do you need a hug?

Mike Gilbert · · Bend, OR · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 21

Mountain project is full of douche bags but I think the people I'd call douchey and you would are almost opposite.

Keith Boone · · Henderson, NV · Joined Jul 2013 · Points: 492

MP should be like Survivor. We can vote people off based on popularity. Be a douch bag, and your off the island.

Michael C · · New Jersey · Joined Jun 2011 · Points: 340

Compared to rockclimbing.com, this site is pretty tame as far as rudeness goes.

One thing I like about this site is that a good deal of members use their real name, or at least their first name (like me) as opposed to using a screen name. I guess posting as yourself sort of requires a decency filter. Unless you're really that big of a dick.

Just ignore the bs posts and replies. As the saying goes, don't feed the trolls.

Monty · · Golden, CO · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 3,520
a.l. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2008 · Points: 5
snowhazed wrote:most of the stone masters are still alive....
..and spend their days at the old climbers retirement home poking each other with sharp sticks and mumbling at each other on the ST forum.
Wiled Horse · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2002 · Points: 3,669
Monty wrote: This game ought to cheer you up
that is the best thing that has happened to MP
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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