R.I.C.E. is wrong?
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Anyone that practices the R.I.C.E. method after an injury should watch this video. Very interesting information here. Pay no attention to the cross-fit meat heads, Dr. Gary Reinl knows his stuff. |
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might want to include the link ! |
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haha, might help... |
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was this the link? |
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This guy agrees. |
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Before you make up your mind, you should read this: |
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Rest Ice Coffee Explosion.....right? |
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Thank you for the read, I'm anxious to get thru it. To ice or not to ice...? |
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Enjoyed the video. |
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Bheller, if you don't mind me asking I'm curious if the practitioner you saw also used acupuncture as part of your overall treatment? |
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phildenigris wrote:I personally don't buy the hype with thisThanks for the link, phil. I agree. A while ago, I asked a PT friend his thoughts on this stuff coming out as I did not really feel it to reflect my professional or personal experience using ice (or my athletic training and physiology education on the "why" of ice), but I did not have time to look at cryotherapy research just for my own interest. I will post part of his response. "I thought the article was interesting, and also a bit...shortsighted? Reactionary? The inflammatory/proliferation/healing cascade is pretty well characterized, but there are some things which remain a bit open to interpretation. A similar question was asked of the department dean way back when I was in school. The concept is: "if the body heals by inflammation sending chemical signals to begin fibroblast proliferation, why do we have these physical agents (ie cold packs, e-stim, ultrasound, etc.) to try to get rid of the inflammation? Indeed, why? I have long believed that chemical anti-inflammatories (NSAIDS in particular) potentially interfere with the healing process, and that research supports this, especially in healing of bone. What about cold therapies though? I don't think the research is so clear as the writer makes it sound. What about the 68 year old lady in subacute rehab, s/p total knee replacement? If she does not elevate and ice after therapy, she will (probably) be so swollen, stiff, and angry tomorrow that she will refuse therapy. She will be at risk for arthrofibrosis because she will not move. Remaining stationary hurts less, so she remains immobile. Her knee will NEVER function properly if arthrofibrosis sets in. The exact same occurs in athletes who undergo ACL repair. You have about two weeks to regain full extension or you will (statistically speaking) likely never get full extension back. You must reduce inflammation in order to improve ROM, and encourage full participation. Perhaps you remember a Buffalo Bills tight end, Kevin Everett. He suffered a C3-C4 fracture dislocation which would paralyze him, but due to a remarkable and very new and experimental technique, he was spared from total quadriplegia: 'Until September 11, Everett remained on a respirator, but was able to breathe on his own while it was briefly turned off. Cappuccino described Everett's respiratory risks as among the issues he described as "life-threatening" as well as how techniques, such as intravenous methods to reduce Everett's body temperature in an attempt to reduce the swelling, were performed in order to make operation easier.' Remember that inflammation has many negative impacts, in addition to the positive ones. Coronary artery disease is (apparently) largely caused by inflammation. Rheumatoid arthritis. Ankylosing spondylitis." For the record, I have had improved recoveries from injuries with both chemical and physical anti-inflammatories. This was evident because I was not able to move forward in the rehab process prior to using them. |
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Watch out for compartment syndrome;) |
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i have always had good results with ice. a video from some nut job probably isn't going to stop me from icing. |
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Remember, there is a big difference when comparing inflammation in a muscle belly and inflammation of and surrounding a joint. There are many instances of the latter negatively affecting one' s ultimate recovery due to altered mechanics and neural recruitment patterns. |
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Read about this awhile back. I think ice has its place, and not icing has its place. |
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I ice my nuts twice a day. Its like male birth control. |
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Have you seen what a crossfit "pull-up" looks like? |
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Crossfit is akin to flailing up a warmup climb, resting at every bolt, z-clipping, and falling at the anchors with the rope behind your leg and your coach saying, 'Good form. Now do 30 more just like that for time'. |
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jeff lebowski wrote:Crossfit is akin to flailing up a warmup climb, resting at every bolt, z-clipping, and falling at the anchors with the rope behind your leg and your coach saying, 'Good form. Now do 30 more just like that for time'.WIN |
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Brent Apgar wrote:Bheller, if you don't mind me asking I'm curious if the practitioner you saw also used acupuncture as part of your overall treatment? If so was it something that he did every time you saw him or only occasionally? Thanks, BAYes, occasionally acupuncture too. |