Gunks Break-ins (west trailhead)

Idea - stake out the vulnerable spots armed with paintball guns. From what I've heard, those things are like machine guns these days. Gotta hurt like a mo-fo, and you'd think the cops could find the perp if he was bright yellow from head to toe. Think this would be legal? (Nothing in the SAFE Act against paintballs AFAIK)

Gunkiemike wrote:Idea - stake out the vulnerable spots armed with paintball guns. From what I've heard, those things are like machine guns these days. Gotta hurt like a mo-fo, and you'd think the cops could find the perp if he was bright yellow from head to toe. Think this would be legal? (Nothing in the SAFE Act against paintballs AFAIK)

Pretty sure that could be considered assault, unless you can claim self defense.

A better sting operation involves HD video feeds, which is essential to the court proceedings. Obviously this takes some sophistication to set up and has the potential of being stolen if discovered. So a windowless van in the parking lot monitoring the cameras is needed.

A windowless van in ANY parking lot is creepy. Nobody will come around breaking into cars and shit for fear of being abducted and raped.

Nobody gonna rape me if I'm packing my paintball tommy gun.

Kevin Heckeler wrote: Fwiw, as someone with experience and knowledge with camera systems, this is a fine thing to expect but something different to actually deploy. That camera needs to send its feed somewhere* ).

I was thinking something similar to a wireless home security network. You should be able to set up a wifi network to cover the main lots, feeding images, even a shot per minute vs live feed back to a remote hard drive. Can be powered by solar.

This is entirely possible, hell, I have a similar setup at home. Built it myself from random parts from Newegg after someone rummaged through my unlocked car in the driveway years ago. Added a wireless network camera to the door and one inside. All feeds to an old IDE hard drive and DVR, which I can access from the road. Cost me about $200.

Or, simpler, a hunters motion camera might be a low tech option.

Again, they are taking $17 a day or $95 a year (imo, a bargain) so they should be able to provide reasonable security. After all, the Gunks aren't the wilderness, it's urban cragging with the visitor center right down the road.

the #1 way to improve community relations with police is to solve property crimes. So often the cops tells us that there is nothing they can do yet they have no problem issuing us a speeding or parking citation while they sit in their cars watching porn on the computer and getting fat.. I have been robbed twice climbing. once Gunks and once Cannon. Both times the cops told me they would not catch them.

should be as simple as setting up a bait car. leave a wallet and I phone on the seat in view and go for a hike. cameras are in the vehicle.

J. Serpico wrote: I was thinking something similar to a wireless home security network. You should be able to set up a wifi network to cover the main lots, feeding images, even a shot per minute vs live feed back to a remote hard drive. Can be powered by solar. This is entirely possible, hell, I have a similar setup at home. Built it myself from random parts from Newegg after someone rummaged through my unlocked car in the driveway years ago. Added a wireless network camera to the door and one inside. All feeds to an old IDE hard drive and DVR, which I can access from the road. Cost me about $200. Or, simpler, a hunters motion camera might be a low tech option. Again, they are taking $17 a day or $95 a year (imo, a bargain) so they should be able to provide reasonable security. After all, the Gunks aren't the wilderness, it's urban cragging with the visitor center right down the road.

Those flimsy cameras? Where outdoors do you expect they would be mounted, out of reach of someone trying to steal or destroy them? [good camera enclosures aren't exactly cheap when you figure one per camera] There's more complexity to this than I could possibly cover here. Your experience with this tech isn't apples to apples. Have fun with the delusion that adequate surveillance is this easy thing. If it's so easy maybe you want to contact them with your grand plan.

I'm not even a criminal and I've already figured out how to profit from your security measure (steal, resell the equipment you install). lol

I'm usually the one bitching about the value added from my preserve fees. But there's limits to what any organization can do given the specific circumstances.

At Birdsboro, we encased our cameras in steel and mounted them very high in the trees. The cameras have eliminated our graffiti problem.

jdrago wrote:Wow that is a lot of break ins! I live down the street from the Red Brick too. Scumbags.

yea.... ya'll can keep the gunks... I'll stay up here in the daks where we usually leave our cars wide open and never worry about it... heh heh heh

Kevin Heckeler wrote: Those flimsy cameras? Where outdoors do you expect they would be mounted, out of reach of someone trying to steal or destroy them? [good camera enclosures aren't exactly cheap when you figure one per camera] There's more complexity to this than I could possibly cover here. Your experience with this tech isn't apples to apples. Have fun with the delusion that adequate surveillance is this easy thing. If it's so easy maybe you want to contact them with your grand plan. I'm not even a criminal and I've already figured out how to profit from your security measure (steal, resell the equipment you install). lol I'm usually the one bitching about the value added from my preserve fees. But there's limits to what any organization can do given the specific circumstances.

I'm tossing out an extremely low tech option. I'm also making it clear that for $95 a year or $17 a day they can afford to put in a much more expensive system. In fact, when I walk around Congress Park in Saratoga Springs, such a system is in place. It's doable.

My point, it's not impossible. Your point, it's impossible. I'm pretty certain that it's probably harder than what I'm envisioning but far from impossible.

Now, I'll agree, it's probably not feasible at every NH USFS trail head, but if they are charging me to park there, a fee I refuse to pay, I should have some security provided aside from the ranger patrolling for revenue.

The Gunks, however, is entirely feasible. And if it's not, then they need to be willing to pay someone to do nothing but patrol the lot. In either case, it wouldn't even amount to the cost of a carful of day passes per day for either option, at a place that often turns people away because it's so packed. Or, just raise the pass fee to $20 and use the $3 as a security surcharge.

Money solves all problems.

hell, signs prominently placed proclaiming "area under video surveillance" would do wonders, even better if mixed with some large, obvious, but out of reach camera housings. whether there are actual cameras recording anything or not is mostly moot, who would take the risk?

rogerbenton wrote:...even better if mixed with some large, obvious, but out of reach camera housings. whether there are actual cameras recording anything or not is mostly moot, who would take the risk?

Nothing is out of reach from a redneck's rifle….

Possible break in the case:

local.nixle.com/alert/5212440/

Hi, I broke into your car at the trailhead. Hope that's cool and everything.

J. Serpico wrote:My point, it's not impossible. Your point, it's impractical.

Fixed.

I was there yesterday most of the day. I was in West Trapps lot with only about 8 or ten other vehicles. I was just telling my friend about the previous break ins. SCUM BAG!!!! He is going to catch my #4 to the face if I find his sorry ass.

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

SethG wrote:What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Sorry I linked this. Hey, we have no idea if this guy is breaking into cars at the Trapps.

SethG wrote:What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

the liberal philosophy that led to O.J. being innocent... heh heh heh

(baseball bat in hand standing next to a car with a broken window) "I DIDN'T DO IT!!!"