Beyond dirtbagging: A sustainable future for climbers

Christian wrote:Andrew, you're arguing w the resident Looney Tunes Elleanor (sharkfin) and her BF Ryan (Poopy). There's probably better uses of your time.

I appreciate the heads up!

Christian wrote:Andrew, you're arguing w the resident Looney Tunes Elleanor (sharkfin) and her BF Ryan (Poopy). There's probably better uses of your time.

I appreciate the heads up!

Poopypants is Ryan? I had no idea.

You and your girlfriend probably stay up at night in a blanket fort in your (admittedly awesome)van with a flashlight giggling about your latest hilaaaarious troll post.

MC Poopypants = Mike Oxlong

Mine too.

Rainbow Gatherings have been doing this shit for years. Prancing bear and smiling fawn (the ones trading kombucha for toilet paper) said that this post is so 2000 and late.

All of a sudden it does not sound so exciting...

Blueprint Part Wank,

Humans have been doing this for hundreds of thousands of years, it's called living. Don't you ever wish there was a real option besides debt slavery? Are you scared to step outside of the life you were told to live?

Poopy is smart!

MC Poopypants wrote:Blueprint Part Wank, Humans have been doing this for hundreds of thousands of years, it's called living. Don't you ever wish there was a real option besides debt slavery? Are you scared to step outside of the life you were told to live?

I'm not trying to troll you here, though my initial post was admittedly pretty smart ass. As a voluntaryist, I fully know what it's like to aim for an idea, that is fundamentally impractical for literal realization. It's the process of aiming for the higher ideal that brings you progress, but eventually I have to accept that supporting Rob Paul ism't going to lead to abolishing the FED, IRS. NSA and DoD, but maybe if I try to effect change, then I can get a tiny but done to weaken their power.

My initial point was more or less just that. Your idea is a great one, I would love to see it realized. But we're not ever going to see it succeed. The Rainbow Gatherings have been trying to do essentially the same thing for a very long time with mixed results, and they aren't spending all day trying to send their Proj (Grazing Antelope and Sly Giraffe just sent me a smoke signal saying that thy agreed. That it's a lot easier to grow crops for your commune when you have nothing planned for the next three months other than dropping acid.)

MC Poopypants wrote:Anybody out there read "The Good Life" by Helen and Scott Nearing? Why can't we do this on some of the land owned the AF or something? Community based homesteading near climbing areas. Build houses, grow food, climb. Anybody already doing this?

this sounds like a great idea!!

sustainable community example

Dank,

I enjoy the shit talking and don’t take it too serious and I hope you, or anyone else, don’t take anything I say personally.

Voluntaryism is an essential part of the principals of The Good Life. There was never any coercion to get people to come live with them or involve the larger community in what they were doing. They believed whole heartedly in the principals of non-aggression.

Our current lifestyle, self-destructive in nature, is fundamentally impractical for literal realization and yet it’s happened on an incredible scale. What you are missing is that The Good Life did happen and continues. The book is not an idea, it is an instruction manual for how it can be done. Progress happens when we make meaningful changes to our lives. Why turn to society’s tools for answers when they don’t understand they questions? This offers a way to step outside of the established path and create a life that feels more suitable. Don’t like paying taxes? Don’t have a job then. Then the system starts to fall apart while people are building a life not dependent on the system collectively.

If you like the idea and would like to see it realized then why deny that it’s possible. You say it won’t succeed but it already has and is still going to this day, fully supported by voluntaryists like yourself. I don’t know much about the Rainbow gatherings but the Nearings and their co-habiters were able to live almost entirely self-supported on 4 hours of work each day. 4 hours of work and 4 hours dedicated to personal growth/passion was another essential quality of their life.

There is only one reason this would never happen, no one will do it. Not because it’s impractical or impossible but because people like yourself have been so conditioned by society that even in full support of the idea will say no.

They have been doing this for years and years and years in New Zealand. Ten bucks a night no bookings no maximum stay length, the ones in town often have showers, the ones in the mountains are often free. All you have to do is be a club member.
70$ a week NZD thats like 55 usd, rent doesn't get much cheaper.

Here's another reason it will never happen. Looking like the AF doesn't really own land but some of the regional climber organization do. Anybody know about this?

You lease the land for like 100 years. I don't really know how they did it in NZ, it happened like 100 years ago. But at Mt Cook they lease the land and since then the village moved so if the place burns down that's it. There is no power in it so its all gas so it could happen. Lease the land and build it all by volunteer work. Put a hut warden in it and charge non members like 30$ a night, get the AAC into it.

Do you ever have swingers parties at the lodge.

mitchy wrote:Do you ever have swingers parties at the lodge.

We prefer the term "sport fuckers", but a valid question!

sharkfin wrote:We are trying to create a perfect society ;)

exactly... so why would anyone with a brain want religion fucking it up?

sharkfin wrote:We are trying to create a perfect society ;)

Then leave religion out.

There was a lot of f*&^cking going on over New Years Mitchy. I take my chicks to the one in Arthurs Pass, it has a fridge and no one is ever there, it doesn't have a hut warden.

Good place for day hikes to, you just hike from the hut. Its called Kennedy lodge, look it up, its pretty nice for 10$ a night.