Trad vs. Mixed vs. "Sport/Trad"

Jimbo, it would be awesome if MP could implement something like this and give a search feature allowing multiple variables.

That's exactly the point of this discussion: it's not that complicated, but the current Sport/Trad designation doesn't make sense to a lot of people, especially since those climbs show up if you search for "sport."

Thanks for the clear summary and input!

Here's one that's definetly labeled wrong mountainproject.com/v/mille…

As the commenter points out your going to want some gear on this one, well if you want to stay safe anyway.

Also see mountainproject.com/v/minor…

As I said in my post at the other thread I don't have a problem figuring out what to expect from a route listed as Trad/Sport but obviously not every one else does.

Terms can change meaning over the years that I get but at some point there should be some kind of consensus at least as far as this data base is concerned.

Lots of great points in this topic, and the "Trad, Sport" combo has always bugged me as well.

I've changed the way you categorize routes as shown below. Routes are now either Trad, Sport, or Other, and can no longer be Trad AND Sport.

Obviously the real world doesn't fit in perfect buckets, and the route descriptions will have to provide the details. These types are meant to provide a quick filter for those looking for either sport or trad.

There are 4,000 routes in the database (of 113,083) that are marked as both Trad and Sport. Given this new system, I suspect all of them require some gear, and I am tempted to automatically convert them all to Trad, but haven't done so yet.

New route type designations.

Nicely done!

Nick Wilder wrote:I am tempted to automatically convert them all to Trad, but haven't done so yet.

Do it! It would make searching for routes a bit easier. There are a TON of routes in North Carolina that folks have labeled Trad and Sport because they have some bolts. If someone searches for sport routes, they are not looking for these trad routes, and they shouldn't be displayed.

From my experience(which is vast)trad is sport.

Brian Abram wrote: Do it! It would make searching for routes a bit easier. There are a TON of routes in North Carolina that folks have labeled Trad and Sport because they have some bolts. If someone searches for sport routes, they are not looking for these trad routes, and they shouldn't be displayed.

Agree.