reccomend a mountaineering tent

BD Firstlight has been great for me.

Anyone experiment with a tarp + bivvy combo for low-altitude, summer mountaineering?

I am currently considering 8-10oz, 8'x8' cueben fiber tarp + BD Big Wall Bivvy Sack.

Tim Zander wrote: I don't know where you get sub 2 pound on the tenshi. It is 4 pounds 6oz 'minimum' weight as listed on their website. BTW, I like my BD Eldorado, but it's not the lightest or the most versatile. Great winter shelter though

If you only take the tent... aka no vestibule, carry bag, extra pegs... your about there

I love my MH Direkt II tent. Ultra light weight and can be set up from the inside out. Very minimalist, no vestibule. Daddy like.

Karl Henize wrote:Anyone experiment with a tarp + bivvy combo for low-altitude, summer mountaineering? I am currently considering 8-10oz, 8'x8' cueben fiber tarp + BD Big Wall Bivvy Sack.

I have a Golite SL-2 that I use in the summer. Website says pound and a half for the weight. It sets up with two trekking poles from the inside. I also have the floor in case the weather is looking bad but it doesn't interface very well. If it's really just me then I have a golite poncho tarp that can be set up with 1 trekking pole. No bivy though.

It depends on the weather where you're climbing. I wouldn't want to be stuck in a tarp tent during a prolonged rainstorm.

Theriault wrote: If you only take the tent... aka no vestibule, carry bag, extra pegs... your about there

Again, I don't know where you are getting your numbers? Real world use? OGL has this to say:
Body: 51 oz. or 3 lb. 3 oz.
Two main poles: 12.9 oz.
Vestibule + vestibule pole: 23.9 oz.
Condensation Curtain: 3.0 oz.

These measurements do not include any guylines, stakes or stuff sacks.

outdoorgearlab.com/4-Season…

So that means no guy lines or stakes at all, no vestibule, your tent weighs 4 pounds even. Not a superlight tent compared to the BD firstlight or MH Direkt

The Tenshi is around 4lbs without the vestibule. It's not as light at the Firstlight or Direkt but is more durable than either.

Tim Zander wrote: Again, I don't know where you are getting your numbers?...

Cut him some slack - dude is french canadian, I think.

It's definitely a heavier tent that the direkt/firstlight, but it's also bigger, and will take a hell of a beating compared to those two, especially the firstlight. Different tools for different purposes. I like to get out in the really nasty stuff, so I tend to carry a more durable tent.

I just got a smoking deal on this one (barely used), and when it came, I realized it has no vents beside the door...they must really trust that EVent to breathe!

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Adam Burch wrote: Cut him some slack - dude is french canadian, I think.

Oh duh, my bad. He must have meant kilograms, not pounds. ;)

Tim Zander wrote: Oh duh, my bad. He must have meant kilograms, not pounds. ;)

Oh. Didn't even consider that part. I just meant in general.

Thanks everybody for all the suggestions! Great stuff. this was my first time really considering single wall tents or 4-season tents.
I think with most of my trips more likely to be sierra-esque, i'll get by with a lighter, cheaper 3-season. Also this tent will replace my current 2p car-camping tent so ventilation is key.
Sometime in the future when I head off for proper mountaineering i'll invest in the 4-season shelter. The Nemo Tenshi looks awesome and if it wasn't 3x - 4x the cost of a 3-season it would probably be the ticket.
cheers and thanks for all the tips.

A do-it-all tent is gonna suck at everything. Why not keep your 2P tent for car camping so that you can have your badass ninja ultralight mountain tent for when you need it? Car camping in a Direkt or Firstlight is gonna suck especially if you have your special ladyfriend (or manfriend) with you whipping up some condensation.

Cliff M wrote:Thanks everybody for all the suggestions! Great stuff. this was my first time really considering single wall tents or 4-season tents. I think with most of my trips more likely to be sierra-esque, i'll get by with a lighter, cheaper 3-season. Also this tent will replace my current 2p car-camping tent so ventilation is key. Sometime in the future when I head off for proper mountaineering i'll invest in the 4-season shelter. The Nemo Tenshi looks awesome and if it wasn't 3x - 4x the cost of a 3-season it would probably be the ticket. cheers and thanks for all the tips.

I bought a used Firstlight for $125 on Craigslist. For $200-$300 I think I could buy a used car-camping/double wall tent and a Firstlight. I would not car camp with a Firstlight or Direkt, you'll have holes in them in no time. Or, if you don't plan to do a lot of winter or snow camping look at a tarp tent.

There are tons of tent options that fit a range of budgets that don't require carrying an 8lb tent. Heavy tents suck.

Adam Burch wrote: Oh. Didn't even consider that part. I just meant in general.

hahaha that's what happen! lol

The tent Direkt is this you say? It has a very good. tankasports.com/es/tienda-c… you tried? If sent to Germany almost certainly ask

If on international shipments. Just bought now :)