proposing (yet another) new ethics rule - Not Leaving More Ropes than Climbers Up

JQ is nice?! Hahahaha....that's the funniest thing I heard in like 2 minutes...and Beth ( or B if you prefer that), you are saying you are annoyed now, wait till you are 30! Let me translate: with your attitude towards things like ropes that people hang on routes and how you are just standing there "eyeing them" and no one is paying attention to you, leads me to a conclusion that you are an entitled spoiled brat. And no, people can't read your mind. The older you get the more of a reality shock it's gonna become.

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The Mentorship Gap: What Climbing Gyms Can't Teach You

“There were some draws on it, and a rope was hanging through the first two, but there was no one at the base,” he recalled. “So I started pulling the rope, and as I did, I heard a woman shouting from the far end of the crag. ‘What the hell do you think you’re doing?!’ She stormed over and told me if I ever touched her rope again there would be hell to pay.

“I was shocked. I’d never experienced such a strong negative reaction from another climber. Then I said, as politely as I could, that I would like to climb the route, and I asked if she would mind pulling her rope. She said, ‘No! I’m not going to pull my rope. First, I’m going to watch my friend finish her route, and then I’ll come back and climb this one.’

“With that, she turned and walked away, and we sat down to wait. In the end, the only satisfaction was that the woman couldn’t make the chains, and eventually she packed up and left.

“They were from another state, and they had three or four ropes on different climbs at The Pipeline. It was as though they laid claim to the entire crag, then were infuriated that anyone else wanted to climb. I said I didn’t know how people acted where they came from, but this wasn’t typical behavior in Utah.” Albeit an extreme example, this type of siege-cragging is an increasingly common by-product of climbing’s ever-expanding popularity and of the challenges we face as new climbers transition to outdoor climbing.

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I remember way back there was a thing on the news about some ice climbers getting into an argument over a route in Boulder and swinging their tools at each other. I don't remember the details though. Strangely, when I tried to look it up " ice climbers' brawl strategies" came up.
If I see a rope just hanging I make sure to look around if it belongs to somebody, and most likely would climb something else instead of just pulling it. That defensive behavior described above is super rare , since most people at the crags are there to have fun. I would say if you see aggressive negative behavior in a climber that is directed to you because of whatever you did, best thing would be to try to diffuse the situation or get the hell out of there. Just not worth the risk. Especially in lieu of recent events at Carderock. Some people are just mean.

It's been said endlessly, but probably bears repeating, if someone at the crag is doing something you dislike either a) strike up a conversation and politely bring up the item or b) leave. If they are working a route or have draws hanging, this is common practice, if you have issues climbing on their draws that doesn't merit them the inconvenience of pulling their draws between goes (this isn't to say I haven't opted out of trying routes on a given day because of the sketchy draws someone has hung on it). If they are leaving top ropes up and you wish to climb the climb, ask if you can pull their rope and re-hang it for them when you're done (usually this will result in "oh, we were just waiting to clean it, why don't we just pull it as long as you don't mind grabbing the top draws"). I see this behavior endlessly at the crag, at work, at school, people who have problems with others "rudeness" usually aren't approaching the situation with an open mind or in a positive fashion, they are being indirect and taking passive aggressive or straight up passive approaches with regards to the situation.

I witnessed this at a Little Falls last summer. we were there for almost 4 hours and two of the ropes that this group hung were never used. As for climbing on other peoples top ropes, no thanks especially when i saw the quality and scarcity of the anchors they constructed. Im all for the new ethics rule!

Try the Rodman Diplomacy Doctrine and 'do me a solid'

Mike G wrote:Im all for the new ethics rule!

There isn't anything new about it.
The "rule" is known to anyone who's climbed outside a few time and isn't an inconsiderate fuck. Sometimes people need a reminder about that at the crag. Who cares what kind of dirty look they give you? At least their rope comes down which is more than you can say happens when you post on the proj later... Communication: learn it.

Please tell me you didn't pass on the 2 routes which were occupied by TRs last summer. If you had 4 hours to say a few words to someone in that group and you didn't, you're the problem. You and a few others on here should start a think-tank and publish a Constitution of Rock Climbing. Lots and lots of rules and nothing about attempting to solve actual issues, just a detailed framework to sustain and justify the doctrine of entitled bitching.

Ryan Watts wrote: I kinda assume you already know this but in case not: you realize that like 80% of the replies to this thread are just straight up trolling you personally right? I'm pretty sure everyone here realizes that stringing up tons of TRs on popular routes during a busy time is kind of rude.

This.

Become enough of an annoyance so they will leave..I've plenty of suggestions...bring tobacco be it chew or cigarettes, wear skimpy shorts that allow your junk to peek through...complain about how nasty your imaginary illness has become, then cough all over the staging area in question, cuss vociferously...announce loudly " I gotta take a Sh&t!" then find a spot up-wind from their location...no need to speak to them at all!

How about don't cook at the base of my route.... *facepalm*.....

http://rockclimbinglife.wordpress.com/2014/05/08/crag-cooking-say-no-to-clif-bars/

Eleanor, thanks for staring at my photo more than I have. Didn't realize you'd be checking out my crotch so much.

I'm either an entitled brat or not assertive enough. Frankly I don't care. Was just trying to remind people of the others on the crag who might be trying to get on your routes. To the people who aren't just trolling or being dicks, thank you. To the rest of you, pretty sure there are quite of few pictures of my butt on this site, you can kiss it when you see it.

Peace, Love, and thanks for the laughs.

She's Such a B wrote:I'm either an entitled brat or not assertive enough.

They're not mutually exclusive. They actually seem to go hand in hand...

She's Such a B wrote:Frankly I don't care.

Enough that you keep coming back to try and justify yourself.

She's Such a B wrote:Was just trying to remind people of the others on the crag who might be trying to get on your routes.

You'd need to bring it up with them, not with us.

She's Such a B wrote:Peace, Love, and thanks for the laughs.

Good luck. Don't take yourself too seriously.

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Some class acts goin' on here: young woman proposes the apparently radical concept that climbers might exercise some basic common courtesy and gets flames and sexist crap for her trouble.

You sure done yerselves proud lads.

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Mt. Project is really embarrassing sometimes.