climbing ban at ramapo powerlines
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i stand by everything ive said - place is a chosspile, only the greenest of gumbies fresh from the gym would think otherwise. |
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boulderbum wrote:Takes a real POS to invite a park commission member to a climbers forum. Crefeld you are the only one who benefits from this, with your gumby ass guide sales. Enviroman, get a clue...nobodys saying we should dig out caves or exterminate the rattlers...what i said was people shouldnt be climbing there, period. The snake population is thriving and the rock quality is terribly brittle. From the pipc's perspective....powerlinezzzthhh should be the last place in the state that is opened to climbing legally. It is quite literally a shithole, and its mostly beginner/non experienced climbers who would waste time hiking in to such low quality rock.Maybe you're the clueless one, Buehler. A full environmental review was undertaken as part of the plan before the climbing management plan was approved by the PIPC, and no adverse effect was found on any animal or plant population. You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts. You think the rock is choss---then don't climb there. It's that simple. From your other posts, it's clear you are bouldering in other places. I hope that climbing is legal there. If it's not, then you're the best example of what responsible climbers have to overcome in order to get an keep access to climbing sites. |
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you missed my point entirely you old swordswallower. |
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boulderbum wrote:you missed my point entirely you old swordswallower. bouldering is legal everywhere, always, unless youre on private land or some kind of pinko commie puke that believes he needs to sign his name on trail journals before he hikes. cause the sign says to, of course. i dont use ropes or alter the rock so: its nobodys business what i do in the woods. i am usually fully clothed and not hurting anyone else, rangers are usually pretty nice to me. totally indifferent usually, as they should be. maybe if i wore a bright orange helmet and hangdogged 80 ft off the deck for 2 hours above the highway, id be a little more understanding. but i dont, so im not. go climb at the transit cliffs, at least theres some historic value to along with the choss pump. and bolts so you dont have to worry about the gear you just placed, which will pop without question.While folks like Boulderbum have cursed the efforts made by the "whiteknighting crapy guide book maker" (and whatever motives may or may not have brought them about) the fact remains that the PIPC is now going to be operating and partnering with climbers to open land which was otherwise illegal to climb on previously. If this effort at this choss pile is successful it will be a great diving board for which to begin the conversations about the not so chossy and amazing areas that do exist under their management. I would admit I think it could have gone very much the opposite direction BUT if it did... at least it was a crapy choss pile right boulderbum? And with it being crap the other aspect is it probably won't become a popular climbing area and thus will be much easier to manage and a more likely positive outcome (as long as folks don't disregard the agreements) and thus more likely that opening other climbing areas can be explored. So BB as much stink as you are making about it being choss it seems like it was a great place to start with building a relationship with the PIPC. Lets hope this all goes smoothly and that this is just the start of a much bigger and better. |
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boulderbum wrote:you missed my point entirely you old swordswallower. bouldering is legal everywhere, always, unless youre on private land or some kind of pinko commie puke that believes he needs to sign his name on trail journals before he hikes. cause the sign says to, of course. i dont use ropes or alter the rock so: its nobodys business what i do in the woods. i am usually fully clothed and not hurting anyone else, rangers are usually pretty nice to me. totally indifferent usually, as they should be. maybe if i wore a bright orange helmet and hangdogged 80 ft off the deck for 2 hours above the highway, id be a little more understanding. but i dont, so im not. go climb at the transit cliffs, at least theres some historic value to along with the choss pump. and bolts so you dont have to worry about the gear you just placed, which will pop without question.Since you don't use ropes, how do you know about gear placements, or what will "pop" (brah???) or not? Get over it: hard work and cooperation did what you and others said would never happen: PIPC partnered with climbers. And I'll say it again: people like you are what make access issues difficult for responsible climbers. And "Swordswallower"?? Really? After all the spew you've posted, you disappoint mightily with that. Got nothing left but name calling, eh? Happy trails, BB. |
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Anyone who thinks the Linez is a choss pile obviously lacks experience climbing in other areas around the country (or world). Be thankful for a resource so close to NYC. |
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would LOVE to know what amazing 5.8s you have sent around the globe - if you dont think torne is choss, you are : |
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Boulderbum - The guy who said " Climbing will never be legal there, unless you purchase the land yourself. " And, " Talks with the PIPC are beyond pointless ..." I agree with Steve, you've got nothing left but name-calling, Happy Trails, BB. |
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And let me add my favorite 5.8s: Irene's Arete (Tetons), Moby Dick (Cochise), Otto's Route, (Col.Ind.Mon.), Frogland (RR), Wallface (ADKs), N. Early Winter Spire (Cascades), Shagadelic Tuolomne, East Buttress Middle Cathedral, P1 - Erect Direction in the Gunks! ... Let's compare notes! |
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EPILOGUE: |
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Great news! Congratulations to you guys. Thanks so much on behalf of many climbers. |
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Congratulations to all involved! |
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Congrads on the Awards TVCC!!! Great work and leadership! |
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I just read through this entire post thread. Cool story bros. Can't wait to go to the PLinez tomorrow to see how 'chossy', this rock is. I've only heard good things about it from the locals. Next week we'll see how much better the Gunks are.. |
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Yeah Vlad, pretty epic. Come on out! |
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So, Finally got out to the Gunks. Must Say the amount of climbing there is,as well as detailed, organization and knowledge with the locals and rangers is awesome. Ramapo feels a lot more raw and undeveloped, but has beautiful areas to climb. And honestly 'Rock Dojo'(?) is so great looking at this time, with the tiny creeks and ponds throughout the Geometric, sharp Boulders leaning on one another. Both are great and totally diffrent, they should both be developed, shared and taken care of. |
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Thanks for the great write-up Vlad. You don't know how psyched we are to be part of so much great climbing, and the chance to show good climber stewardship. |
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I've mixed feelings. |