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Bolt chopping

Slartibartfast · · Magrathea · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 0
Eric Engberg wrote: Your continuous whining for instant gratification means that you are also wish to deny yourself a richer fuller experience in the future for the shallow satisfaction of a tick today.
You realize that "if you want safer, stay home" is the exact same argument as "if you don't like a bolt, don't clip it", right? They are both so black and white that they must both be either incredibly stupid or incredibly right. Now that you mention it, I honestly think it might be the latter. Everybody do what makes YOU happy, and don't poop yourself when what OTHER people do makes you unhappy. And there is still a place for you and your "ethic", even if your old stomping grounds have grown up while you stayed the same.

And I love climbing, but...seriously? If going up a rock is the most enriching experience in your life, there is nothing wrong with your climbing, but there IS something wrong with your life. Go help somebody, make something. You GENUINELY think that the WAY you go up makes you BETTER than other people? All the satisfaction we get from climbing is shallow.
Jon Zucco · · Denver, CO · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 245

taco

J Q · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 50
csproul wrote: No, safer does not always equal better.
No it doesn't, that's why I support removing all guard rails on the freeway and seat-belts in the cars.

Looking at a seat-belt and not using it makes me cry.
Ryan Watts · · Bishop, CA · Joined Apr 2013 · Points: 25
Slartibartfast wrote: You realize that "if you want safer, stay home" is the exact same argument as "if you don't like a bolt, don't clip it", right? They are both so black and white that they must both be either incredibly stupid or incredibly right. Now that you mention it, I honestly think it might be the latter. Everybody do what makes YOU happy, and don't poop yourself when what OTHER people do makes you unhappy. And there is still a place for you and your "ethic", even if your old stomping grounds have grown up while you stayed the same. And I love climbing, but...seriously? If going up a rock is the most enriching experience in your life, there is nothing wrong with your climbing, but there IS something wrong with your life. Go help somebody, make something. You GENUINELY think that the WAY you go up makes you BETTER than other people? All the satisfaction we get from climbing is shallow.
Jesus dude, GTFO and go "enrich" your own life. Every single post of yours in this thread is like a goddamn novel. You have no idea what you're talking about, everyone knows it, and when you've actually climbed outside some eventually you will know it.

Remember, all the satisfaction you get from trolling on MP is shallow.
Slartibartfast · · Magrathea · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 0

Agreed. This thread was interesting for a while, but it's turning into a chore.

don'tchuffonme · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2014 · Points: 26
Slartibartfast wrote:Agreed. This thread was interesting for a while, but it's turning into a chore.
Essentially what you have done here is gone on a first date, tried to take a bra off, fumbled with it forever publicly, failed over and over at removing it and then adamantly told everyone that you are a porn star.

Watching it is the fucking chore.
Slartibartfast · · Magrathea · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 0
don'tchuffonme wrote: Essentially what you have done here is gone on a first date, tried to take a bra off, fumbled with it forever publicly, failed over and over at removing it and then adamantly told everyone that you are a porn star. Watching it is the fucking chore.
I publicly apologize for disappointing you and for misrepresenting myself(which I seem to have done, somehow). I still don't get how people on here really seem to hate talking about climbing, and get offended that a conversation is happening even though no one forces them to participate. Am I accidentally on a fight club forum, or something?
Jon Zucco · · Denver, CO · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 245
CraigS. · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 10

This isn't talking about climbing, it's talking about bolting or chopping. Guess what, it's a HOT topic and will continue to be debated long after this forum is dead. Both sides have some valid points and both sides make piss poor arguments. One thing it seems people (yes I am generalizing) don't get is when to just drop it and walk away.

Crap, now I just added to this drivel . . . . eff it, let's go climb something.

chuffnugget · · Bolder, CO · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 0
Slartibartfast wrote: You GENUINELY think that the WAY you go up makes you BETTER than other people? All the satisfaction we get from climbing is shallow.
Yes. My ethics are bigger than your ethics, oh I'm preserving the rock for future generations of big ethics people.
Slartibartfast · · Magrathea · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 0
David Sahalie wrote: Yes. My ethics are bigger than your ethics, oh I'm preserving the rock for future generations of big ethics people.
haha. You got me pretty good. Well played, sir.
Rockbanned brett · · Plattsburgh, Ny · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 215

If the dudes bitching about bolts were that worried about "ethics" and preservation, they wouldn't use chalk which marks up the rock. Nor would they use METAL mechanical devices which scrape up the cracks. Oh yea, you also shouldn't wear shoes because they leave black shit all over the rock. Hey "ethical" guys, your logic is laughable at best. Work that one out next time your climbing without cams, shoes, or chock if you want some ethics. And long before you were worried about your petty ethics, dudes were pounding pitons in. Hypocrite much?

marty funkhouser · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Dec 2007 · Points: 20
Rockbanned wrote:If the dudes bitching about bolts were that worried about "ethics" and preservation, they wouldn't use chalk which marks up the rock. Nor would they use METAL mechanical devices which scrape up the cracks. Oh yea, you also shouldn't wear shoes because they leave black shit all over the rock.....
If you stopped using oxygen I think we'd all appreciate it.
Jon Zucco · · Denver, CO · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 245

i believe in tacos.

Matt N · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 415

burritos > tacos

M Mobley · · Bar Harbor, ME · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 911
SexPanther aka Kiedis wrote: One day, I will buy you a beer for this. Well played. Almost sound like jake jones.
or you, one of the two
Jon Zucco · · Denver, CO · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 245

cerveza + burrito = valhalla

Rockbanned brett · · Plattsburgh, Ny · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 215
jeff lebowski wrote: If you stopped using oxygen I think we'd all appreciate it.
Witty... My but your quick... You must be an "ethical" person...
Rockbanned brett · · Plattsburgh, Ny · Joined Dec 2011 · Points: 215
SexPanther aka Kiedis wrote: ^^^^^^Every now and then, someone comes along and really raises the gibberish bar. Hats off, sir. Chapeau. Cheval. Camembert.
it's actually a fact dude. in a few places they don't use anything but knots to climb. no chalk, no trad gear because of what I pointed out above. Ever been to an area after a group gets done climbing there? Chalk marks all over etc... If it really were an ethics thing, they be more like those dudes that use nothing and free solo mostly. Watch Reel Rock, it had a whole segment with Honnold, and these old dudes that have TRUE ethics. The rest of these dudes are just a bunch of johnny come lately. And when someone else points out a valid point they poke childish jabs at said person. Basically the ethics of trad climbers is one of these current times with current gear. I climb both, I appreciate both. I don't believe in bolting when there's cracks or places for gear, but thats an opinion. The "ethics" these dudes are blabbing about is a pile of shit. Stop breathing? Talk gibberish? Seriously... If that's the best someone can come up with when discussing the validity of rock preservation, they should shut down their computer and actually go climb instead of posting on here all day and heckling people that have a brain. This is an interesting site to read while I'm at work. I say this because the rest of the time I'm actually out climbing. Something I'd say about 70% of the people on here don't do more than once or twice a year.
M Mobley · · Bar Harbor, ME · Joined Mar 2006 · Points: 911
Rockbanned wrote: This is an interesting site to read while I'm at work. I say this because the rest of the time I'm actually out climbing. Something I'd say about 70% of the people on here don't do more than once or twice a year.
It seems these days like I only get in a few days a year of actual climbing, the rest of the time I'm vandalizing the rock with my drill and creating nightmares for the ethical traddies from the internet.
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