Take responsibility for your area!!

Where are you guys getting these eye hooks ?

While it saddens me to see these sort of misunderstandings lead to so much negativity, let's keep things in perspective. People here are no different from people anywhere else. Have you read some of the posts on SuperTopo? Ken Nichols vandalized routes and got in fistfights in Connecticut and Yosemite Valley has a rich history of verbal and physical altercations, at times involving law enforcement. So as disappointing as it is to see members of our community angry at one another, let's not move from there to false explanations as to why our community is any different than the others.

Eric, George, Joe: very sell said. +3.

I'll say it again - in person, at the crag, the AZ climbing community is the most friendly I have found anywhere.

Dang really? and ppl call me short tempered. A couple snide comments here and there and you guys are ready to roll in the dirt. If theres a crag brawl up on lemmon i better get invited.

TYJ1981: Four posts full of vitriol complaining about AZ and New Mexico's vitriol. Classic do as I say not as I do mentality.

I've got an idea, if our little spats upset you so much, don't read them!

Tucson does have one of the most welcoming climbing communities I've ever been in.

TYJ1981 wrote: Its kinda sad and pathetic to be honest.

Nice try,
but sad and pathetic is a rookie troll who repeats himself over, and over, and over, again.

How many times do you usually repeat yourself before people tell you to shut up?

But seriously, George said it best when he said: shit's all fucked up in the SW. Better go poo at the red instead.