BD stance belay parka or Patagonia DAS parka?

both of these jackets have gotten great reviews and both companies have their jackets on sale for $180 right now. my primary use for this jacket is running around town with a little outdoors mixed in. im pretty torn on which jacket to get but im kind of leaning toward the BD stance. it has a 40d nylon shell compared to the DAS having a 20d. the DAS is ripstop but that doesn't really matter for around town. the BD has 2 layers of 80 gram insulation so you get 160 total over the whole jacket. the DAS has 120 gram on the whole jacket with an extra 60 gram on the chest. another reason im leaning toward the BD stance. im only concerned about warmth here. i'd love everyones input, on these two jackets only. thanks all!!! oh and not to be a pain but the sooner you can respond the better as I don't know when the sales will end.

I would get whichever fits better. In my experience the Das Parka WAS HUGE! I normally wear a large in Patagonia and the medium was still quite big on me. BD clothes seem to be more fitted. . .

Also if you buy the BD jacket online it appears as though you could get one for around $114-$140 depending on size and color.

If it matters to you, Patagonia will actually repair their jackets at little or no cost. I have a few Patagonias, and about once per year, I package up any with rips or tears and they are returned a few weeks later, beautifully (almost invisibly) patched. They've never charged me a dime, though I'd happily pay.

Both are great ice parkas, but if you are worried with warmth, then I think that the BD is a bit warmer (I have used both quite a bit).

DAS would be warmer as Primaloft ONE is the warmest insulation per weight currently on the market besides down. Plus it costs more to manufacturers (Primaloft One that is). You get 180g insulation one third of which is way warmer(but lighter and less bulky) than Synergy that BD uses.

doesnotcare where did you see the BD at those prices? that sounds like a sweet deal. and doligo for that jacket only the extra 60 grams on the chest is primaloft one, the 120 grams on the rest of the jacket is synergy, same as the BD. I don't know which one would balance out as warmer. and thanks j.albers, I like knowing that you've had extensive use with both.

DAS Parka 120g Synergy + 60g One = 180g insulation
Stance Belay 80g x 2 = 160g Synergy
180g (qualitatively superior) > 160 g

It doesn't really matter much if it's for wearing around town anyway and ultimately you can find the BD jacket for better price anyway. Backcountrygear.com has them for $137.

good point doligo but I think your right ill prolly go with the BD. although backcountrygear has the parka for 180, the stance hoody is 137. thanks though for your help

doligo wrote:DAS Parka 120g Synergy + 60g One = 180g insulation Stance Belay 80g x 2 = 160g Synergy 180g (qualitatively superior) > 160 g It doesn't really matter much if it's for wearing around town anyway and ultimately you can find the BD jacket for better price anyway. Backcountrygear.com has them for $137.

Those numbers aren't quite right because the DAS only has the 60g of additional insulation in relatively small panels (not the entire torso as their website implies). Thus the bulk of the DAS is 120g, which makes a fairly big difference (you can really tell the difference after you have worn both).

$114 REI{copy:s_kwcid}

$138 backcountrygear.com

125-$171 Moosejaw

doesnotcare thanks for responding but that's for the stance belay hoody, im looking for the stance belay parka. looks like the parka is $180 across the board

^^ I would go with DAS then - 1 year vs. Lifetime Warranty, and lighter weight of DAS.
J.Albers, I've worn both. I think for around town and standing around BD would be great, but for active applications I like Primaloft One better - for its ability to trap body heat (great for stop and go activities like climbing).

doligo, BD has a lifetime on their apparel, one year on gear.

doligo wrote:^^ I would go with DAS then - 1 year vs. Lifetime Warranty, and lighter weight of DAS. J.Albers, I've worn both. I think for around town and standing around BD would be great, but for active applications I like Primaloft One better - for its ability to trap body heat (great for stop and go activities like climbing).

I don't know where the idea of a one year warranty with the BD clothing came from. I'm pretty sure it's lifetime.

From their website:

Warranty

I think that the 'whichever fits best' advice is probably the biggest thing to consider.

I've had the Stance Belay Parka for a few months now and can confirm that it is damn, damn, damn warm. Sold the Mtn Hardwear Nilas jacket (as I live in the Pacific NW) and was at first very worried about the warmth and how it would compare. I've never been cold wearing it. In fact, even standing still, I've had to leave it open on occasion.

I absolutely love it. But with these two options, how could you go wrong?

Oh yeah and this is definitely a belay parka, and not a good piece to be used as part of your 'action suit'. 60-100g for that application.

Backcountry.com lists BD's warranty as 1 year for all apparel. Don't know why would BD let that mistake fly like that unnoticed. Ok, maybe they have a lifetime warranty (which we have yet to experience since they've been out on the market less than a year), I would still be a bit skeptical that a publicly-traded company would stick with unlimited warranty policies going forward...

I too have had a BD Parka for a few months and I love it.

Its super warm. I used it in Ouray as it was truly intended, an over everything else warm layer, and was pleased.

I'm 6'0 and 155. Jacket fit over baselayers, a soft shell and helmet with no problem and shed snow easily. I have a medium and haven't wished I had a small. That being said its a big coat. Super puffy obviously and comes down to my butt. If you plan on packing it along with much of anything else, you'll need to put it in a compression sack.

My complaints might be that the chest pockets are kinda low down, they bottom out just above my hip line. They are big though, which is probably an advantage. I've found the media pocket kinda useless, an iPhone with a case doesn't fit in it very well. Useful for chapstick and other small things though.

I was sleeping in my car in Ouray. I slept in this jacket like a baby for five nights. I was plenty cozy while my 26 liter water jug froze solid.

thanks for all your input everyone, I decided to go with the BD jacket. just sounds like it would better suit my needs.

If you can live with a single zipper, ll Beans Primaloft Hooded Jacket has 200 gm/m2 in the body and 170 gm/m2 in the sleeves Primaloft One. (It's not listed in the details so I asked using the chat feature on their website.)
Check on the tall version. they'll give you the measurements if you ask.

James Sweeney wrote: If you can live with a single zipper, ll Beans Primaloft Hooded Jacket has 200 gm/m2 in the body and 170 gm/m2 in the sleeves Primaloft One. (It's not listed in the details so I asked using the chat feature on their website.) Check on the tall version. they'll give you the measurements if you ask.

if thus is true ... its absolutely amazing how LL bean can sell it for half the list price, with all PL1, vs the PLsynergy parts of the patagucci/BD.

and has the LL bean return for any reason warranty

just goes to show you what the "marketing premium" is worth on outdoor brand name clothing

;)

bearbreeder wrote: if thus is true ... its absolutely amazing how LL bean can sell it for half the list price, with all PL1, vs the PLsynergy parts of the patagucci/BD. and has the LL bean return for any reason warranty just goes to show you what the "marketing premium" is worth on outdoor brand name clothing ;)

I'd have to try on the LL Bean jacket. I doubt it will fit like the BD or Patagonia. The picture sure doesn't make it look like 200gr in the body, more like 80gr or 100gr. It could just be the picture though.