Open request for photos of the Cochise Stronghold for the guidebook
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Do you have a stunning shot of yourself on Abracadaver and you want it to be in the guidebook? |
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It won't be "the" guidebook, it will be one of the guidebooks. |
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The race is on.... |
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Geir, that is extremely tacky!!! |
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Sorry Mike, I'm calling BS on that one. |
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Just so you guys know this is Tanya, not Scott. If you want to contact him, please email him through the website cochiseclimbing.com |
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Geir is right that Tanya's guidebook will be "a" guidebook. Only time will tell which will be "the" guidebook. For my money, I'd go with the information of the person who has already spent 30 years climbing in the Stronghold, and has been the architect of at least a hundred pitches (probably more), rather than someone repeating routes and creating mediocre topos. |
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Dan Cohen wrote: However, I do recall that when Geir's website was accessible to everyone, regardless of his personal feelings toward the user, the majority of the topos were of Scott Ayers' routes.Yeah, that seemed kind of strange to me as well and I just assumed Scott was too busy actually putting up a ton of new routes to actually sit down and do it all again on paper. I also assumed Geir and Scott were friends and Geir was just helping out Scott by drawing topos for all of his routes... |
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Geir, I wasn't calling tacky on tofast topos. I was calling you out on your attempt to hi jack this thread. Your comment just makes you look really bad. |
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Scott has been busy for over 30 years putting up routes for us. He has documented every classic climb he has repeated, some numerous times, and every climb he has ever established. What he lacks is technology skills to get this into a book. |
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It seems that some people read into the original post things that are not there. I did not read it as a "be all end all" guidebook announcement. After reading some of the hostility posted, I went back to see if I somehow missed this passive aggressiveness in the OP, but I didn't see it personally. If you have issues with someone, I guess you can project whatever you want into anything. |
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Thank you for your support. |
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I think I have a nude picture of me climbing on Sweet Rock. |
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I'd buy a book with that in it! ...even if I don't live there anymore. ;) |
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Dan Cohen wrote: I will say that the Geir certainly never had Scott's endorsement of his topos. Out of respect for the privacy for all parties, I won't comment on their relationship beyond that. Certainly a guidebook for the Stronghold, beyond the Kerry book, is a welcome accomplishment. Anyone who has been fortunate enough to climb there knows what a gem the area is. I think it's important to keep in mind that the routes, particularly the mixed and bolted lines, take a massive amount of effort, money, and time, all of which is donated. With that in mind, I recognize the privilege that I am afforded from the labor of others (at the Stronghold and elsewhere), and am happy to respect their wishes. I think it is telling that Geir's crusade for information freely available to anyone (except myself) has not been applied to the countless routes that Dave Des Champs has put up in the aforementioned area, The Hands.I am not sure what all that means. Why is it "telling" that Geir hasn't posted topos for the Dave Des Champs routes? What point are you trying to convey when you talk about "respect(ing) their wishes?" Why does a guidebook author need the FAs permission to post topos of routes that are not a secret? In plain and simple English, please state your beef. Or, better yet, stop tying to stir the pot and don't turn this into a discussion on how Scott = Good, Geir = Bad. All these Southern AZ threads invariably turn into a shit-show of innuendoes, politics and butthurt. If you got something to say, Dan, just say it. Better yet, lets all just be happy that there are going to be two guidebooks written by climbers that are BOTH very knowledgeable about and love The Stronghold. |
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Thank you NC Rock Climber. Of course someone had to put inn his little video. Mike, I have a funny video for you too, but I'll just PM it to you so that we stop "hijacking" Tanya's thread. Tanya, good luck with the guidebook. Geir, your topos are awesome and very accurate, look forward to seeing the one for "Sensory Desuetude". Can't wait to see both guidebooks (as long as there are no pictures of Mike naked, that is). |
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NC Rock Climber wrote: I am not sure what all that means. Why is it "telling" that Geir hasn't posted topos for the Dave Des Champs routes? What point are you trying to convey when you talk about "respect(ing) their wishes?" Why does a guidebook author need the FAs permission to post topos of routes that are not a secret? In plain and simple English, please state your beef. Or, better yet, stop tying to stir the pot and don't turn this into a discussion on how Scott = Good, Geir = Bad. All these Southern AZ threads invariably turn into a shit-show of innuendoes, politics and butthurt. If you got something to say, Dan, just say it. Better yet, lets all just be happy that there are going to be two guidebooks written by climbers that are BOTH very knowledgeable about and love The Stronghold.At this point, I'd rather leave it as is. As I said before, the guidebooks will speak for themselves. I hope everyone is going to pre-purchase a copy. |
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it was mentioned somewhere that this book will clear up the "route left of such and such" entries on mp. why do we need a book for that? has that information been deliberately withheld to make this long awaited book more enticing? if those routes were put up with no expectation of compensation why not just spread the info? not tyring to start a fight, just wondering. |
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Sorry Aleix. Just thought the video was really funny and so true. Maybe it was a lame attempt at trying to lighten things up and bring them back to the original intent of this post. Didn't think it would really offend anyone. |