Is the 'Rado better than CA?

s.price wrote:fossana, you must be referring to RMNP. Damn near all trailheads in rado are on National Forest land.

You're right S. Price; I should qualify this as my frustration with the Park. The bivy situation anywhere within 30 min of trailheads like Glacier Gorge is dismal.

I like chocolate.

Ryan N wrote:One of my my favorite sayings is Wyoming is Colorados best kept secret.

Yep!

Northstar Tahoe 18" base, Breckenridge 78" base

fossana wrote: You're right S. Price; I should qualify this as my frustration with the Park. The bivy situation anywhere within 30 min of trailheads like Glacier Gorge is dismal.

The bivy situation has an easy fix for a fast young lady like yourself though, right? ...car-to-car!! I agree with you though, the camping situation in the Park is a bit dismal. At least in the Meadows you can make the quick drive down Tioga to virtually infinite camping on the Eastside.

When I am in California I miss Colorado, when I am in Colorado I miss California. :)

Ross Hokett wrote:Northstar Tahoe 18" base, Breckenridge 78" base

Yep, we're hosed for snow this year. :( But it all depends on the season.

doak wrote:It's difficult to live/work anywhere in California that has a ton of fantastic climbing 10 minutes away. .

The Buttermilks and the Happies are both exactly ten minutes drive from my front door. Just sayin

The Blueprint Part Dank wrote:With all of the major pro sports represented, an unlimited number of quality microbreweries and well, legal weed. Your time off the rope is never going to be boring.

I agree with all you said except for the above statement. There is more to life than climbing, weed, pro sports and beer. If your interests are broader and you are more serious about say baseball, you can't really beat living on the Coasts.

Baseball is lame

Tavis Ricksecker wrote: The Buttermilks and the Happies are both exactly ten minutes drive from my front door. Just sayin

If your career, lifestyle, and priorities allow you to make it happen to live in Bishop, then CA wins this debate by a huge margin. No question there. Same might be true for Truckee, etc.

If you need to or want to live in a more metropolitan area (job and cultural opportunities), yet still want to have fast access to a vast amount of adequate-quality climbing, CO wins by a big margin. While the cities in CA are bigger and more interesting, and the climbing in CA is more destination-worthy, they are very far apart in that state, and you generally need to choose one or the other. They are much closer together in CO, and you can have both. For the climber, CO generally allows for a more balanced lifestyle.

That said, neither state is necessarily the best. Vegas and the Wasatch eat our lunch. Edit: Actually, that isn't quite correct. Vegas won our lunch from us in a rigged poker match, and then the LDS from SLC politely offered us a replacement lunch.

I thought the word rado was verboten. Or am I the only one not allowed to use it?
Admins deleted my reference to living in rado springs, someone found it offensive.
Can we get an admin up in here to fix this title? NOT!
The places I'd really like to live in are all in Wyoming and Montana with Custer S.D. finishing up the list.

Lower Travertine....

Carson River hot tub.

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Saline Valley.

...the hot springs edge give the advantage to CA . CA for the win . Are there are springs in CO?

About 20 commercialized hot springs, and maybe 3-4 times as many backcountry hot springs.

Ross Hokett wrote:Northstar Tahoe 18" base, Breckenridge 78" base

+100

awesome , thanks for the info .

Post up some pics !

Ross Hokett wrote:Northstar Tahoe 18" base, Breckenridge 78" base

So what's your point? Doesn't matter how much snow Breck has, it's still just...Breck. Besides, it also means Yosemite was balmy this winter, while all of CO is, well, frozen.

I think climbing in CA is much better on many levels. But the places you can make good money has no climbing close by. CO/front range does have a huge leg up on CA in the size & experience of outdoor climbing community; it was much harder than I thought it would to find partners for 5.not_gumbie weekend Yosemite missions. But climbing areas, even the gyms, don't really compare to what the best CA has to offer.

Silverton and wolf creek have alright skiing I heard. Pagosa hot springs after a day at Wolfy vs. the springs on the green church road after a day at mammoth!?

doligo wrote: I agree with all you said except for the above statement. There is more to life than climbing, weed, pro sports and beer. If your interests are broader and you are more serious about say baseball, you can't really beat living on the Coasts.

Such as? Good resturaunts? We've got them. Art culture? We've got it. (The First Friday Art Walk on Sante Fe in Denver is quite awesome). Live music? Well, you've got the Boulder Theater, The Ogden, Red Rocks and the First Bank Center to name just a few.

Not trying to be argumentative, but I feel like you'd be hard pressed to name a "broader interest" that the Front Range can't cater to. Except maybe Pentecostal Snake Handling.