2014 Colorado and Marijuana

'You can give "pets" or "friends" a nose toke with the stone. Great for medical patients or calming wild beasts'

Have you considered a reality TV show? I'm seeing a whole new cannibis entertainment industry. My people will contact your people.

I see I'm a little late on joining into this discussion, but I will just say that the book "Smoke Signals" chronicles the history of weed, both culturally and medicinally very well and provides huge amount of research that has happened over the last 100 years that can be hard to find online. Much of it has been done in other countries, but is nonetheless useful and certainly crazy! There are documented cases of injections of cannabis extracts being put into tumors and having them degrade from the inside out! Just saying, that is a good source if anybody is interested. Climb hard take chances!

Yea I'd like to see ya tame/ calm wild beasts with a nose hit

Why don't you start with a silverback gorilla .

Now that would make for some fine entertainment , watching you get ur head ripped off
Hell if it was on pay per view I'd spend the cash. Or just do a u tube vid with a go pro
It would prolly go viral !

C'mon do it !

It would beat the crap out of this 8 pages of drivel.

LLubchenco wrote: There are documented cases of injections of cannabis extracts being put into tumors and having them degrade from the inside out!

Reference please, or it didn't happen, at least not in a medically applicable way.
I mean, I can extract a cancer tumor, and inject 1m H2SO4 and it will also degrade from the inside. I bet ammonia would work too... but it doesn't mean I just found a cure for cancer.

Ronin- same. I'd like to read the doctors account of this, since I can make a poster too - but writing something down does not make it true.

I had a relative who said prayers every night. Her cancer went away too. Perhaps both cures contain elements of faith.
I'm no straight edge, but I don't call it nutrition or claim my indulgences cure cancer.

Tony, It's in the book. I don't have the book anymore because, like the rest of my library, I gave it away. I just suggested it as something that you and everyone else here might like to read. Enjoy!

Locker wrote:Posting total bullshit is doing more harm than good to the purpose of legalizing weed. EDTIED: "It's in the book.". Oh, then that changes everything. Has to be true then. ;-)

Legalizing weed has done more harm to the purpose of legalizing weed than even Dancing Doug's tips on how to smoke in the shower with your pet.
Remember $25 quarters and $60 ounces?
Happier days my friends, happier days...

LLubchenco wrote:Tony, It's in the book. I don't have the book anymore because, like the rest of my library, I gave it away. I just suggested it as something that you and everyone else here might like to read. Enjoy!

Yer drinkin' the koolaid...
Refer to page 3:

Tony B wrote: Q2: "How can it cure cancer if it is a toxin?" - Easy, it can't cure cancer, and that's a silly question anyway, since "toxin" is a BS jargain term these days. The question is about toxic concentrations, not toxins. Vitamin A is carcinogenic if ingested in high enough doses, and people who drink too much water die of hyponatremia. As for pot, The LD 50 is most probably > 40 mg/kg of body mass... I wouldn't worry too much about smoking enough to die of it, but I am establishing that it indeed has a toxicity. Furhtermore, the logic behind the question is BS if the language isn't. Wwhat do you think Chemotherapy is? They poison the body (with "toxins") to kill the fastest growing cells (cancer) in many of the practices. It used to be done with mustard gas, and successfully so! Toxic stuff kills cancer cells too. So that you know, there has only been one published clinical trial testing whether cannabinoids can treat cancer in patients, led by Spanish Dr Manuel Guzman. Nine people with glioblastoma multiforme – (a cancerous brain tumor) – were given highly purified THC through a tube and injected directly into their brain tumor. Eight people showed some response to the treatment. One didn’t. All of the patients died within a year. Cured? No. Not quite. Try "died" instead. ... OK, so smoke it if you got it. I got no problem with that. But the psuedo-junk-science stoned-bullshit-talk doesn't fly, OK? And now we return you to your regularly scheduled program - I've been pro-choice on everything since 1990 (voting age for me). But I'm also anti-bullshit.

Oops. Fixed that Mike thanks.
Goin rate these days (local basement dude) is $40 for an eighth, and that isn't top shelf.
Outfuckinrageous

And $100.00 pounds

There are few people on here getting a little re-active to some ideas they don't agree with. If you are getting upset by this you are identified with your thoughts and lacking a deeper presence.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss more profound medical effects of the ganj. For anyone who's feeling threatened by this idea keep in mind that you are probably getting your information from a profit oriented, misguided system that treats symptoms not causes. They have no interest in a cure that anyone can produce. I believe that there are many ways to deal with cancer outside of the American medical-industrial complex's established thinking. Isn't the 3rd leading cause of death hospital visits?

Remember, everything you know is wrong.

MC Poopypants,

First off:

MC Poopypants wrote: Isn't the 3rd leading cause of death hospital visits? Remember, everything you know is wrong.

A) No, it is not.
B) Yes, what you said is wrong.
cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm
Unless you can "catch" cancer, diabetes, car accidents, stroke, alzheimers, or suicide in a hostpital, then things caught in a hospital would have to be about 1/3 of all illnesses to even make the top 10.

As for the conspiracy theory stuff:
You posit that the universities/professors offering classes right now are in it for the profit and the people shucking weed and stones to smoke it out of are not?!?!?
That's a friggin weird thought. How did you get there?

I'm OK with 'opinions' and 'thoughts,' we are all entitled to our own and lord knows I have more than my fair share. But when someone comes up with their own 'facts' that I call bullshit. It is a logical operation that the party making a claim must back it up, not that the skeptic must prove otherwise. Otherwise, I got 7 virgins waiting on me on the bright side in the 7th heaven when I die, and we all know it. I'll admit it, I never did like faith-healers. Fuckers suck the life out of people... FOR A PROFIT.

There is no doubt that there are several medically useful applications of MJ. I'd certainly try it as an antiemetic (FYI: Ginger root is also a 5-HT3 Antagonist) or as an analgesic (synthetic[*1] CB1- and CB2- receptor agonist efficacy have been found comparable with morphine for murine tumor pain models). Yeah, 15-17k Americans die every year from opioid overdoses, most of those while trying to stop withdrawal symptoms due to addiction.
There are also some emerging and potential (primarily psychiatric) medical uses for X, 'Shrooms and LSD. Not to mention Ketamine (who'da thought? - an antidepressant with no therapeutic lag for treatment resistant cases?!?!?)
I got friends/coworkers that have been doing clinical (legit) research on that stuff for years. I've been studying it/following it for a while and some of it has wrapped up pretty nicely. Google Psilocybin and 'Danforth' or 'Grob' if you want specifics on some of the studies. Alicia just finished her PHD in that lane a few years ago with Charlie as the supervisory MD.

But as far as this MJ-curing-cancer thing, it's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble, it's the stuff you know that just ain't so. Is MJ the new "positive thinking" or "prayer" placebo?
Does eating a grapefruit every day burn fat? Will pasta make you skinny? Atkins diet anyone? Fusion in a flask?

I'm not saying that there is not some interesting work being done, nor denying evidence that there may be a future use there, and there certainly is a theoretical pathway for how certain elements within it may be of some use in some treatments. But as of now, weed does not cure cancer. Let the research continue, but don't bet lives on the results.

[*1] Not because big pharma wants it synthetic, but because it is fairly 'pure' and not an unknown mish-mash of things without control, about 60 potentially physiologically active elements. You can't control the study that way.

Back in the day the free weed formula usually involved large, firm breasts

Tony B wrote: FYI: Ginger root is also a 5-HT3 AntAgonist

Fixed that for ya

^^^ correct, and thanks!
Ginger, not Varenicline.

Went to a store near work yesterday to check it out for myself. Herb was very high quality with a good selection. Custumer service was good and there was no wait. Prices were extremely high, $60 an 1/8 so I left paying about $140 for a 1/4 with about $25 in taxes included in there.

Budtender said things were going well and slowly getting busier.

Overall, I feel that it's really nice to be able to walk into a store and do this. On the other hand, it cost me more than double what I normally pay so I will probably only be doing this in emergency(yeah, weed emergency) or convenience. Being able to grow is the real nice thing.

Tony, all I'm saying is keep an open mind. We tend to think we know everything but are often wrong or misled. Science constantly proves previous scientific facts are incorrect.

MC Poopypants wrote: Tony, all I'm saying is keep an open mind. We tend to think we know everything but are often wrong or misled. Science constantly proves previous scientific facts are incorrect.

OK, I've got an open mind, and when some evidence presents itself, that mind will be open to switching sides.
Meanwhile, telling the guy that keeps saying "There is no evidence for that." that he doesn't know everything when he is pointing out a lack of evidence to people that think weed cures cancer... well, that's pretty ironic.
There's a been a lot of irony in the thread.
If you think it's cool that people who are completely uneducated are spreading BS that people with real problems might want to buy into, we're in different places with it.
Meanwhile, I'm well aware that I don't know everything. That's why in my 40's I'm still taking classes (in this kind of stuff, BTW).

Meanwhile, I guess it's either religeon or science for each of us. With the former, you pick the one that suits what you want to hear, with the latter, you need data.

We can only hope that when it is finally proven once and for all that Marijuana Kills Cancer?
Those that perpetuated the lies and benefited from the War on marijuana face class action suits for all the people that died and suffered because of the insane war?

Doug.... good idea. Except dudes like J. Edgar Hoover, Richard Nixon are dead

Doug Pederson SpectateSwamp wrote:We can only hope that when it is finally proven once and for all that Marijuana Kills Cancer? Those that perpetuated the lies and benefited from the War on marijuana face class action suits for all the people that died and suffered because of the insane war?

Fine with me,Lock up the drug war people now.
And let the FDA & the courts lock up anyone who makes such a claim without evidence for practicing medicine without a license, false advertising, etc.

The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) was signed into law in Oct 1994 by President Clinton to amended the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. Under DSHEA, any representations or claims made about products must be substantiated by adequate evidence to show that they are not false or misleading.
Prior to that, it was just straight-up FDA/DEA.
Since the FDA isn;t going to treat MMJ as a supplement, if there is an 'epidemic' of crazy claims, expect a visit from the DEA, not the FDA.