Nutrition Questions - Dairy products
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So I started reading articles on climbstrong. Seems like a great site with a variety of good tips on training and nutrition. |
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Any article that suggests only one serving of fruit and 3 of vegetable per day is a tad off the mark. |
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Yeah, that article doesn't ever justify why one should just eat one serving of fruit a day. I assume it is because most fruits are high in sugar (which is a carb), even though it's the complex "good" sugars. I've not seen anywhere else a recommendation of only having one serving of fruit a day for weight loss, even if it also says you can eat as many vegetables as you want. And what the hell is the difference between a fruit and a vegetable? I know that they are saying to stay away from apples, oranges, and bananas, but seriously, squashes, tomatoes, eggplant, and peppers are also "fruit." |
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computer + internet connection + blog = nutritionist |
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He makes it pretty clear why he suggests cutting fruit (fructose) from the diet, as fructose raises blood-insulin levels which ultimately make you fat (The author outlines each step of this process in the article) It would be nice to see some links to research though. Obviously an eggplant is a fruit, as is an avocado; peas, beans, as they are the seed bearing vessels of plants. I think the difference he is inferring is the common one: a fruit is sweet and a vegetable is not or has low levels of sugar. |
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From nytimes.com/2007/01/28/maga… |
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The article looks like typical low-carb or low-insulin diets. The idea is that insulin has a large role in fat storage, so reducing insulin results in burning more fat. You reduce insulin by eating less carbs. |
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jakobi wrote:Has fructose raises blood-insulin levels which ultimately make you fatexcess intake of any of the basic sugars is unhealthy...avoiding fruits in order to specifically avoid ingesting fructose (barring any disease processes that affect fructose metabolism) is not exactly the best thought out approach, as glucose is readily converted to fructose in the body anyways. Furthermore, regular sugar is metabolized to fructose and glucose. Fructose can channel down to a variety of end products not just triglycerides. lastly fructose has a low glycemic index and actually does not raise blood insulin levels appreciably. This decreased insulin levels with increased ghrelin levels partially accounts for lack of satiety and thus intake of more calories --> leads to excess calories = getting fat |
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Thanks for the replies. The site DOES offer the reason why it is better to eat vegetables than fruits. Reasons were mentioned above by some of the posters. Just take a bag of Broccoli and compare weight/nutrition to weight/nutrition of a banana, you will see why. But dairy is what I am thinking of now. Might be the lactose intolerant thing. Personally I get acne when I drink too much milk. But eating these Yogurts has not given me much trouble. If I get to where I want to get I will make a post about my nutrition and training regimen. |
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I think they suggest limiting dairy because of the sugar. I never drink juice because I am always watching my sugar. One day I picked up a friend's coconut water and noticed it had fewer grams of sugar per 8 ounces than milk. Dr. Oz (kill me now, I am quoting Dr. Oz) recommends people on his weight loss plan drink only full fat milk because he says it's the only milk with anything valuable in it, all the rest is sugar water. I'm not saying he is right. He just represents one doctor's opinion. |
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The article you reference states the recommendations are for losing weight and in your post you say you are losing weight, right? (I would hope so since your diet listed seems low - I eat a lot more than that). |
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Dairy is stupid.... IMO .... No need, really. |
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climbstrong has some good stuff, but his idea that rice is good and beer is bad is sad. white rice has the highest glycimic index of any grain, second only to white bread. on the other hand, short grain brown rice has enough fiber to slow absorption. |
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dairy is extremely hard to digest even for people who are not lactose intolerant. it also creates an acidic ph in the body if you consume too much. when your body becomes too acidic it pulls calcium from the bones to bring the ph level back to neutral. this is why americans, who are one of the largest consumers of dairy, have one of the highest rates of osteoporosis and hip fractures(a sign of weak bones). the statistics don't seem to agree with the mantra: "milk, it does a body good". |
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A lot of nutritionists have been anti-dairy lately, particularly concerning the recovery period (like the infamous chocolate milk prescription for the post work out drink of choice). Much of the reasoning points to the lower pH of dairy's ash (what's left of the dairy after it is metabolized is very acidic, and impacts the body's pH). This, in addition to the lactic acid produced during your workout, purportedly leaves the body in a more acidic environment than is ideal for muscle recovery. These folks usually offer this opinion up in tandem with the suggestion to stick to a more plant-based, raw, alkaline diet. So take that with a grain of salt. Plus, I'm not sure how much the "alkaline diet" is centered in substantiated science, and how much of it is just wishful thinking. |
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I replaced dairy/cheese with avocados a couple of years ago and feel better for it. Also, dairy is mucus producing. I never catch a 'head cold' anymore. |
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Thank you guys for some really good replies. Feel very good about starting this thread! Actually learned something. It is funny, I heard many people say chocolate milk is a great for after you work out. Good to learn that it might not be the best. |
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Martin le Roux wrote: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. .Truely the best advice +100 |
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Low carb diets never did it for me. I always felt tired and hungry. As stated above, fruit and vegetable based, whole grain, only good fat, vegetarian diets seem to work the best (for me). You can also cut back on protein. Following these rules you will never have to actually feel hungry but still lose weight. |