Grivel G12

Have used these crampons on glacier ice a good bit, but haven't done any steep waterfall ice with the G12. Do you guys think its a sufficient crampon or will I absolutely need to buy another pair for steep water ice

I would definitely start in the G 12 it is a great steep ice crampon. You wont have any problem climbing through WI5+ with them and you should be able to do mixed in them too if you want.
Dallen

Medic741 wrote:Have used these crampons on glacier ice a good bit, but haven't done any steep waterfall ice with the G12. Do you guys think its a sufficient crampon or will I absolutely need to buy another pair for steep water ice

Sufficient? Yes, but the Grivel Rambo mono-point has a preciseness that excels on water ice.
This translates to fewer kick repetitions (less fatigue) for a secure placement
You have the option of using dual points or having a back-up set of spares should they get damaged.

'Poon Perfection
My only complaint is both rear anti-bott plates cracked (possibly from frigid temps on Monday along with walking on ice chunks buried in the snow below the climb?)

My pair are a couple years old and it seems the newer versions have a rubberized anti-bott that shouldn't have this problem.
I hope Grivel will warranty this issue.

Cracked Anti-botts

G12 is fine. Horizontal front points give you better purchase and stability in most ice conditions, especially when its chandeliered and funky. The only advantage to vertical front points (Cyborg, Dart, Rambo, etc) is in dense, bullet-hard ice when the G12 points will take more work to penetrate.

If you want to buy another pair of crampons, then by all means do so. It's practically the American Dream. But your G12s will not hold you back on 90% of waterfall ice.

Tom-o Sapien wrote: Sufficient? Yes, but the Grivel Rambo mono-point has a preciseness that excels on water ice. This translates to fewer kick repetitions (less fatigue) for a secure placement You have the option of using dual points or having a back-up set of spares should they get damaged. My only complaint is both rear anti-bott plates cracked (possibly from frigid temps on Monday along with walking on ice chunks buried in the snow below the climb?) My pair are a couple years old and it seems the newer versions have a rubberized anti-bott that shouldn't have this problem. I hope Grivel will warranty this issue.

Tom, have you actually tried climbing without the antibots? I have a pair of older gen Rambo IVs and I disliked how they wouldn't let me french technique well. After I removed them, I feel like a new woman!

Great. Thanks for all the feedback. I had been told I would "absolutely need another pair" but it doesn't sound like that's true!