URGENT: Don't Let Muir Valley Close!
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Donating today. Thanks for raising awareness on this issue. |
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Hit up the paypal at Friends of Muir Valley just yesterday...and I haven't even been down there to climb for over 4 months!!..but know it's the right thing to do. Just to help recover the costs of that new climber shelter in the parking lot is reason enough. |
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Moves for Muir
Hoosier Heights Indianapolis is doing their part. If you're in the Ohio Valley Region, you should check this out. Pre-Registration for the Saturday comp has been extended through this Sunday (the 18th). |
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Maybe they should stop building bridges everywhere and hanging perma draws. That would save a bundle. |
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thomas wisdom wrote:Maybe they should stop building bridges everywhere and hanging perma draws. That would save a bundle.operate this area as a fee area.....a la Shawangunks an earlier post quotes that $92k spent by the owners in 2010. Does rock climbing require this kind of infrastructure.....or require that it be provided for free? What kinds of costs are these? |
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thomas wisdom wrote:Maybe they should stop building bridges everywhere and hanging perma draws. That would save a bundle.-The steel draws are donated, and they are put up by volunteers. Read this: redriverclimbing.com/viewto… -The "bridges" (to use the term loosely) are often just a single plank of wood. Some are more elaborate. Again, donations + volunteers. There is one concrete & gravel bridge that was made, as I understand it, with the help of grant money. It ensures that critically injured climbers can be extracted safely and quickly. It saves the lives of people like you. No joke. -Lastly, Muir sees over 100,000 visits every year (and growing). Muir can't charge a penny (...it's a legal thing in Kentucky). All they ask is that people sign a waiver and donate a buck or two to keep it open. But I suppose talking shit about them in their hour of need helps, too. Thanks, Thomas "Wisdom", from Colorado. |
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still not understanding the $92k in 2010 or the source of costs, being that a lot of it is provided by volunteer/donation.....but the figure cited could be erroneous. And 100,000 in a year sounds unscientific as well.....but there is obviously impact that voluntary efforts cannot meet. Maybe shelter the property in a recreational land trust that could possibly be exempted from fee prohibition. The way it is currently run does not seem sustainable. Seasonal closures to mitigate impact is another alternative, if impact is where all this cost is coming from. Reduce amenities such that climbers are responsible for themselves. Are the owners compelled to provide infrastructure to facilitate rescue/emergency response? |
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Muir valley is an exceptional climbing area that would sad to lose. As for an entrance fee, why would people want to pay an admission fee when there are other areas just as good nearby? This might hurt more than it helps. |
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Any Chance we can get a sticky for "Don't let Castle Rock, ID close"? |
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What a fantastic place!! We donated 40 bucks. A dollar a day is not much to ask too climb at a place like this. We were told less than 1 in 40 climbers donate! This should be a no-brainier. If ya climb there pitch in. |
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I''m so sad I couldn't afford to go back down there this coming week, to do trail work in Muir, to donate time, to enjoy a Thanksgiving dinner at Miguels for the close of the season and to dump lots of cash into the tip jar at Migs for the great workers. Just have to do the online donation as usual. Look forward to the new improved valley entrance trail next spring!!! |
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The $92k number is from Rick & Liz themselves. So is the 1 in 40 number. IIRC, the annual sum of donations to MV and FOMV is about $10k-$15k. As far as the visitor numbers, they actually have a very good system for estimating the number, Rick summarizes it on the forums on redriverclimbers, I would argue that it would be hard to beat that system short of an actual enumeration. |
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Matt Roberts wrote: But there's no reason to attack them for providing a really wonderful venue for climbing in the Red.+1 |
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Thank you Matt for an excellent summary. Yes, the road conditions are a major part of the work and money spent. I've seen trucks of gravel arrive for work to be done, (by Rick on his own, moving the gravel into place) seen on many a trip to Muir and I'm not there more than 2 or 3 five day visits a year! Again, I'm so very sorry I can't get down there this coming holiday week to do trail work for them, and to enjoy a wonderful and thankful holiday together with great people. |
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It's upsetting and frustrating to know that only ~ 1 of 40 climbers donate after climbing at Muir Valley. This is such a wonderful place, and the Webers are such nice nice nice people. If this area did close, some of the other crags at the Red would definitely be in trouble, or threatened. Let's hope it never comes to that. |
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i think you might have mistaken my curiosity with an actual attack. Anyway....100,000 a year is roughly 300 people a day, every day. I've never visited.......but it must be mighty crowded. |
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Bernard, |
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Friends of Muir Valley has recently had the 501c3 application approved. |
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Bernard, the CLT network is designed to provide land for affordable housing. I can't see how this would help Muir Valley. The valley is already a nature preserve. |