Consolidating the Washington home page

I don't know if this issue is new since makin the changes or not, but I can't seem to find Washington at all in the iOS application to download the areas

Hey it was basically just a quick matter of following your suggestions, but you're welcome.

I don't know anything about the iOS feature. Maybe things will somehow get reset within a day? I've noticed how the route count takes a day to update.

Spri wrote: PS- Once we get that picture finalized, is there a way to pin it to the top, next to the picture of Rainier? Or at the beginning of the photos section? Keeping it visible for newbies would probably help a lot.

I should be able to move the map to the top photo, replacing the present one of Rainier. Will do that soon - I am on another short trip.

Let me know about other things that should be changed. I will look into the Bellingham stuff soon.

Jon

No WA section on app now

No WA

A couple other things with the changes that need to be addressed:

1) can't access Washington anymore from the iphone app

2) Organizational changes aren't reflected on the main MP page when you scroll down below the map.

3) Central East Cascades & Wenatchee: As of right now it seems that Central Cascades Eastside should just be called subareas of Leavenworth and 3 other climbs nobody knows because within this region there are only 3 choices (Stehekin which has one route and no description on how to get there, Demilitarized zone which has 2 climbs and no pictures, and then Leavenworth which has over 600 climbs and multiple sub areas). My choice would be to pull some of the sub areas out of Leavenworth and place them in the main east central cascades region. Peshastin can be moved up since it isn't in Leavenworth and closer to Cashmere/Wenatchee anyway. I think most will agree on this. Then comes whether to move the Stuart Range out of the Leavenworth subsection and put it in the higher region (Central East Cascades) since it can be accessed from the Cle Elum side or Leavenworth side anyway and will make it easier to find if someone is browsing regions looking for this huge mountain range. If it should stay in the Leavenworth heading, why wouldn't it be buried deeper in the Icicle Creek part since that is where it gets accessed from anyway?
With these moves, it would leave Leavenworth with Icicle Creek, Tumwater, and Bouldering.

I think making these changes will reduce the number of sub categories required to find the climbs you actually want and streamline things.
Opinions?

Thanks DrApnea.

I don't know what to do about 1 & 2, but will notify someone more capable about these problems.

I agree on 3). It did seem strange when I noticed Peshastin and the Stuart Range lumped in with Leavenworth. If nobody has any objections in the next few days, I'll go ahead with the change.

Post edit: After looking at the main MP page (re: 2), I think the deal with the listings below the map is that they intentionally have a different organization. Here, they list the more popular climbing areas, wherever they may come from in the state. So, this does not seem to be a problem. (Note that the same thing happens with Arizona if you compare this page with the Arizona homepage.)

I agree with you on your third point. I'd probably dump the "leavenworth area" and lump that into the regional description: Central Eastern Cascades and Leavenworth/Wenatchee-based climbing (sort of like Jon did for Seattle, e.g.). It would be easier like you are saying to just divide it by climbing areas within the Central Eastern Cascades, ie:
Peshastin Pinacles
Tumwater Canyon
Icicle Creek
Stewart Range
etc etc.

DrApnea wrote:A couple other things with the changes that need to be addressed: 1) can't access Washington anymore from the iphone app

I don't have a phone to check this myself, but I just heard that you can now access WA for your phone app.

In this case, the machine fixed itself. We just had to wait...

Jon Nelson wrote: I don't have a phone to check this myself, but I just heard that you can now access WA for your phone app. In this case, the machine fixed itself. We just had to wait...

I can confirm it now works

One little clean-up I've noticed that would be nice is to give the Rosario or Refrigerator wall it's own little area, rather than listing it under Mount Erie & Fidalgo Island Bouldering. It's sport climbing, rather than bouldering, and the wall is separate from the Mt Erie area.

Morgan,

I moved it to the Deception Pass area, which had been posted awhile back, but had no routes. Does this sound appropriate?

The lead photo for Deception Pass shows quite a bit of rock coming out of the water. Any routes on the rock in the photo? Which bit of land is that rock on?

You can also add some directions or other info to comments to the Rosario page, and I will work the stuff into the area description. I haven't yet climbed in the Anacortes-Deception Pass area. The area could also use some more photos!

Jon Nelson wrote:Morgan, I moved it to the Deception Pass area, which had been posted awhile back, but had no routes. Does this sound appropriate? The lead photo for Deception Pass shows quite a bit of rock coming out of the water. Any routes on the rock in the photo? Which bit of land is that rock on? You can also add some directions or other info to comments to the Rosario page, and I will work the stuff into the area description. I haven't yet climbed in the Anacortes-Deception Pass area. The area could also use some more photos!

While it's close, I wouldn't put it under Deception Pass. I grew up in anacortes and learned to climb at Mt. Erie, and I think it would be best to leave deception pass as a no-climb-zone, as my understanding is that is what the land managers don't want climbing there, in addition to lots of rockfall and choss.

Maybe just drop the "bouldering" and say "fidalgo island climbing" instead, to cover the rest of fidalgo island. There are a number of other walls on fidalgo island, and considerable potential as well, so the more open you can leave that, the better for future categorization, IMO.

Jon Nelson wrote:Morgan, I moved it to the Deception Pass area, which had been posted awhile back, but had no routes. Does this sound appropriate? The lead photo for Deception Pass shows quite a bit of rock coming out of the water. Any routes on the rock in the photo? Which bit of land is that rock on? You can also add some directions or other info to comments to the Rosario page, and I will work the stuff into the area description. I haven't yet climbed in the Anacortes-Deception Pass area. The area could also use some more photos!

There is a good set of directions in the comments already. The intro page to the deception pass area says that no climbing is allowed, which might scare people away. Maybe we can edit that to say that climbing is only allowed at the refrigerator wall, and not the other cliffs?

Refrigerator wall is pretty good actually, a fun little sport crag, and recently rebolted.

Jon

Just a quick note. Looks like on the main page we already have an addition called the "Tatoosh Range".

This should be located in the SW Cascades.

I wonder if I is possible to lock the min page so people don't just keep adding stuff and we end up with 60 climbing areas again.

Thanks Spri!

I didn't check yesterday, and look what happens...

Anyway, new area is now moved to its correct home.

I don't know if anything can be locked, but I think instead that the admins just need to keep checking the additions and changes. As long as I'm checking every day or two, it should not grow to anything like the 70 areas we had before. As I notice new areas, I'll move them.

Also, in case people just happen to read the "Welcome to Washington!" blurb on the WA homepage, I added instructions about adding areas. I know many people (like myself) forget to read before acting, but it might help a little.

Spri wrote:I agree with you on your third point. I'd probably dump the "leavenworth area" and lump that into the regional description: Central Eastern Cascades and Leavenworth/Wenatchee-based climbing (sort of like Jon did for Seattle, e.g.). It would be easier like you are saying to just divide it by climbing areas within the Central Eastern Cascades, ie: Peshastin Pinacles Tumwater Canyon Icicle Creek Stewart Range etc etc.

Let's do it

Spri wrote:I agree with you on your third point. I'd probably dump the "leavenworth area" and lump that into the regional description: Central Eastern Cascades and Leavenworth/Wenatchee-based climbing (sort of like Jon did for Seattle, e.g.). It would be easier like you are saying to just divide it by climbing areas within the Central Eastern Cascades, ie: Peshastin Pinacles Tumwater Canyon Icicle Creek Stewart Range etc etc.

Changes made.
But we still have "Leavenworth Area Bouldering".
I still need to move some things from the Icicle Creek to the Stuart Range, but I think we have a better organization now. Of course, much fine-tuning remains to be done...

Thanks for the suggestion. I still need to fix up the Deception Pass stuff mentioned above.

thanks for cleaning things up a bit.

The Leavenworth Area Bouldering contains Tumwater bouldering and Icicle Creek bouldering, both of which now have a natural place to put them in their respective regions in the Central East Cascades section. Only leaving mountain home boulders

I know I'm a little late to the game here, but I just saw this update, and anyway, as I've been actively doing some development in the SW WA area, I had a couple thoughts that might make the page easier to use.
I think the SW Cascades (SW-C) area should actually start below Mt Rainier, and the CW-C should include down to the north Lewis County border. We have so much climbing down here below Mt St Helens, and the Mt Rainier and Fossil Rock, Spire Rock, Tatoosh areas really doesn't fit in with the SW WA area... and also there's much more down here that isn't included in the MP that I am working on getting permission from developers to add.
If you guys think that the Mt rainier and Mt St Helens areas belong together, I would suggest a Lower Columbia Gorge area (WA), as there are dozens of sport, trad and bouldering areas in this area, and it really is an area in its own. From Vancouver to the Dallas would be a good area in my opinion, basically including Horsethief Butte to Ozone, and going up to about the North Clark county line, to include Jimmies Cliff, Rock Creek Cliff, Larch Mountain boulders, Chimney Rocks etc.
Any thoughts?

My vote is to keep that region as it is. It may be a diverse climbing area, but as it stands, there are only 178 climbs listed for that entire region. Splitting it up would move back towards how things were before with areas that have essentially 10 climbs listed. I think until the areas are represented more on MP there isn't really a need to split the south cascades up more. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Hey Micah! Thanks for the input! I know a lot of washington as I grew up in the Anacortes/Bellingham/N.Cascades area and went to school 6 years in the Seattle area, and currently have lived in Spokane for 2.5 years.

I know very little about climbing in the Gorge, other than Beacon Rock.

I could see subdividing it out maybe from Tricities to the mouth of the Columbia, but I'm going to agree with DrApnea on this one that there arent enough climbs posted yet.

I we had some avid Cascade Climbers posting up alpine stuff for Rainier, Helens, and Adams, and everything in between it might be a different story, but Washington is not well represented on MP or documented on MP at this point.

Just my thoughts. Get those guys to give you posting rights! Load it up and then we should talk about splitting the columbia river gorge area out! Or St. Helens or Adams south or however we do it.