New (big!) gym opening in Golden - Earthtreks
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Monomaniac wrote:I wouldn't be too concerned about the route distribution. These guys are new in town and they just haven't noticed yet how many people around these parts climb 5.12 and up. They'll figure it out soon enough. In the mean time, it looks like there will be ample bouldering :) Anyway, the most important factor in any gym is route-setting. If the route setting is imaginative, the gym will be good. Hopefully they've recruited some skilled route-setters.I wouldn't worry about quality. The setting at the ET in Rockville MD (the area flagship gym) is of consistently high quality, especially for the lead routes. The hold budget is very generous, and each setting rotation is usually preceded by a huge order of new holds and features -- the steepest portions of the Rockville gym are reset with almost entirely new holds each time. The overall quality is comparable to the Planet Granite chain, where the head setter started out. It's definitely on par with or better than Movement, which is generally excellent in my experience. They've got some very strong setters on board, so I wouldn't worry about difficulty. They're probably waiting to suss out the distribution of ability levels before shifting more focus to putting up hard routes. |
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Not to drag up the "sandbagged vs. soft" debate again, but as an Earth Treks member in MD I've found that my onsight level has consistently been about two grades higher in CO gyms than on the routes that these guys were setting back here. Rather than worrying about how the numbers are looking, enjoy the opportunity to climb new terrain and different styles. Obviously no setter is perfect, but in my experience this is a really talented crew, and I'd be excited to check out what they have going. And if the routes they set really are too easy for the local clientele, I'm sure they'll realize it pretty quickly and adjust what they're doing. |
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Robin Close wrote:Not to drag up the "sandbagged vs. soft" debate again, but as an Earth Treks member in MD I've found that my onsight level has consistently been about two grades higher in CO gyms than on the routes that these guys were setting back here. Rather than worrying about how the numbers are looking, enjoy the opportunity to climb new terrain and different styles. Obviously no setter is perfect, but in my experience this is a really talented crew, and I'd be excited to check out what they have going. And if the routes they set really are too easy for the local clientele, I'm sure they'll realize it pretty quickly and adjust what they're doing.Movement routes are sooooft! Catered to Boulder ite prima Donna kids. The best routes in CO are at City Rock at Springs. MD standards will be bringing hard CO climbers back begging for more punishment! |
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Monomaniac wrote: Anyway, my main hope for this gym is that it helps build a community out of the West Denver climbing scene.I absolutely agree with you here. Having moved to Golden about a year and a half ago, I have found that while (or perhaps because) the Golden area is such a good centralized location for Front Range (and beyond) climbing, the climbing community here is pretty scattered. It seems like climbers in Golden tend to be going off in all sorts of different directions to their various preferred crags and gyms, and there isn't one really centralized meeting point where everyone will run in to each other. People seem to identify more with the crags that they drive to (the Rifle/Shelf/CCC climbers may not ever meet the Eldo climbers) than with the Golden scene. Even at our major local area (Clear Creek), the climbing is spread out enough that you may not ever run in to someone, if you are usually at Primo and they are usually at New River Wall. Contrast this the the community in the Roaring Fork, where people seem to see each other every weekend in Rifle, or even in Boulder where the gyms create a centralized meeting point. Golden hasn't had that until now, and thus has been more of a bedroom community from which people commute to various other area's climbing scenes. I think (or hope) that with the gym, things will become more cohesive. |
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vivica jones wrote: MD standards will be bringing hard CO climbers back begging for more punishment!I find some amusing irony in this statement. |
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Monomaniac wrote: I am a bit puzzled that they aren't here, on MP.com, posting photos and drumming up hype among their primary customer base. Unless they have some other primary customer base in mind....They have been quite active on the Facebooks, with updates nearly daily as of late. If you haven't taken a look, you ought to. My guess is that they've decided to be tactful and not spam the forums too much. Also of note, since you've mentioned the possibility of the "alternative customer base": This was actually one of the things I was most appreciative of seeing in the gym layout plans. For those who haven't noticed, there are fairly large, seperated teaching areas, isolated from the main gym area for classes, birthday parties, etc. The ET gyms in maryland have this too, and it is great; it lets the gym have its birthday party revenue source without annoying the core customer base. There was a radio interview that I heard with Chris Warner (ET owner) a while back, and it sounds likr they are pretty dedicated to serving the "primary base" of experienced climbers. The gyms plans (lots of steep lead wall angles, absurdly huge systems boards, etc) seem to support this assumption. Anyway, I'm feeling optimistic. |
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The fact that they will keep birthday parties and learning groups away from the main lead area is huge! You guys are lucky to have them pick Golden. I bet it will boost the economy of the town too! |
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BrianWS wrote: I wouldn't worry about quality...They've got some very strong setters on boardSounds promising! JCM wrote:They have been quite active on the FacebooksI've been checking the fakeblock page daily. The terrain looks really cool, and the place looks enormous. It sounds like they will have just about everything you could want. I can't wait to go inside. In fact, all this ET love is getting me even more psyched, anybody got an opening date? (FB says "less than a week") |
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Can someone please open a gym in Glenwood Springs? |
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vivica jones wrote: Movement routes are sooooft! Catered to Boulder ite prima Donna kids. The best routes in CO are at City Rock at Springs. MD standards will be bringing hard CO climbers back begging for more punishment!Without getting into "soft" vs "sandbagged," I'd agree that MD/DC area indoor routes are indeed about 2 grades harder than the Denver/Boulder standard. Now, OTOH I think it *is* fair to compare the number of world class climbers who live in each location and draw your own conclusions about which grades are more "accurate." |
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BrianWS wrote: They've got some very strong setters on boardIt is worth remembering that being strong does not make one a good route setter, though it is difficult, but not impossible to set routes above ones ability so strength does play some roll in the difficulty of routes that can be set but not necessarily the quality.
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LeeAB wrote: It is worth remembering that being strong does not make one a good route setter, though it is difficult, but not impossible to set routes above ones ability so strength does play some roll in the difficulty of routes that can be set but not necessarily the quality. *Don't take this as a shot at the quality of the routes or the setters, just saying that the claim that they are strong is not a guarantee that the routes are going to be good. I've climbed plenty of hard routes where the holds are just smaller or further apart than the easier route right next to it Mono might actually like it that way though...Ward, the head setter in MD is very stringent about quality at the showcase gym, and I'd assume the same would apply out in Golden -- he was just out there last week. Reach or height dependent routes are kept to a minimum and the setting is generally creative. Remember, these guys have a pretty badass hold budget. The head setter for the Golden gym worked under him for a while in MD. He is an excellent setter as well and I would assume that he'll carry the same level of quality over to the CO facility. And yes, the grades in the MD gym are pretty stiff, much more so than other facilities I've been to. It's good training, but a bit demoralizing at times. |
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Kevin Craig wrote: Without getting into "soft" vs "sandbagged," I'd agree that MD/DC area indoor routes are indeed about 2 grades harder than the Denver/Boulder standard. Now, OTOH I think it *is* fair to compare the number of world class climbers who live in each location and draw your own conclusions about which grades are more "accurate."Kevin, you don't even climb rock, man. On Ice you are a beast but on rock...alas. So, if you don't know , don't say it. |
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I had the pleasure of touring the gym this evening. To summarize, the facility is absolutely stunning. The pictures really don't do it justice. |
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They also make their own molds. I saw them when they were experimenting at Timonium with them. You guys are very very lucky! |
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+1 to pretty much everything said below. I took a tour today, and it is very impressive. Very well done. Though I live in central Denver, I could definitely see myself heading out to Golden to climb at this gym--most definitely would prefer it over RnJ. It will be interesting to see how Movement's gym near 6th and Santa Fe compares once it is built. Monomaniac wrote:I had the pleasure of touring the gym this evening. To summarize, the facility is absolutely stunning. The pictures really don't do it justice. The scale is unreal. Just driving up to the gym I was suprised by how enormous the building is. To give you an idea, the "upstairs" birthday party/instructional area is as tall as many gyms I've been to. The bouldering area by itself is about the size of most bouldering-only gyms. Speaking of, the bouldering is 17' high...which is REALLY freakin high! I was getting vertigo just looking at it. Hopefully they'll put up some problems that don't top out for us old guys :) The wall surfaces in the bouldering area are very imaginative and 3-dimensional. They have tons of interesting volumes as well. They have angles for everybody, from vertical to horizontal (and even a bit steeper I think). The padding system is all integrated and I would guess about 16" deep. The floor felt really springy but still firm enough to walk on without sinking in. The roped climbing area is huge, and super tall. For the most part its vertical to slightly overhanging, but they have a huge arch in the center of the main wall that overhangs steeply in all directions. They also have a big (like, 20' deep?) overhang on the back side of the stand-alone pillar. They have several different sized cracks running the height of the wall. The crack texture was quite grippy. The texture is intregrated into the wall surface somehow (its not "painted on"). The training area is ridiculous. They have 3 separate 'systems' walls that can be tilted to any angle from vertical to 55-degrees overhanging (controlled by an electric switch on the wall), so you can set the steepness to fit your own needs. Again, these walls are huge, and the pictures don't really capture the scale. They have a nice looking campus board with three rung-sizes (and it looks like room to add more), and a hangboard station with six different hangboards (I saw a Moonboard, a Beastmaker and a Rock Prodigy; I didn't see the other 3). They have a nice big Yoga room that' faces Lookout Mountain. All of this stuff is upstairs, out of the way of the main climbing area. Downstairs they have the "fitness" room, with everything you could possible want. The room is enormous and has great views of the main roped climbing area on one side and Lookout Mountain on teh other side. The bathrooms are super nice, have free key-code lockers and multiple showers including a separate foot-washing station. Also, the upstairs area has its own bathroom, so the B-day kids won't be in the main bathroom and the training fiends won't have to run down stairs to pee :) Everything has been really well thought-out, and you can tell the people behind the scenes have a lot of experience running climbing gyms. Throughout the gym they have seating and tables for relaxing spectating or just hanging out. The whole building has a nice open feel, with nice lighting, including good natural light. They also had a good-sized retail area at the front counter. That's about all I can think of right now. I can't wait to try the routes. They have tons of interesting/unique holds I've never seen before. Apparently they were able to get a bunch of holds from Eurupe via Walltopia so there should be a lot of unusual shapes to try out. |
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Thank you for all the posts,messages, and feedback. It's been a journey and we've been working hard to get the gym all set up and ready for you all to climb. |
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Pretty much everything that Monomaniac saidthis gym is freakin' awesome. |