Ignorance
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I would make them replace it. Good scout project. |
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Its easy to cast judgments, to label people or situations as bad or wrong. This only serves to re-enforce the minds position of rightness and separation from the whole. We are all suffering from the same mental dysfunction as these guys though it may manifest itself in different ways. The destructive actions of a corporation or government finds its roots on the individual level. This is where change needs to occur. |
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Now this takes the cake... |
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These guys should get the death sentence. |
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Justin Compton wrote:Now this takes the cake...So the guy that toppled the rock tried to get permanent disability from a car accident four years ago. Ha ha ha. I love it. |
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I'm curious what the MP community thinks is an appropriate punishment in this situation. Obviously it's a lot of fun to say they should go to jail forever, replace what they damaged, or whatever. But given that they've done irreversible damage in Goblin Valley, how should the legal system punish them? |
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The local media is all over this story and hammered the disability angle pretty well. I think the reason so many locals are pissed is one, the obvious douche factor of the video and two, many people went there as kids then took there kids when they had them. It really is a wonderful family place and people don't like douchebags messing with there childhood. |
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Our society is interesting. We can run over, behead, crush, cripple and demolish mice, raccoons, deer, elk, bald eagles and so much more without even a conversation. Yet, if someone pushes over a boulder balanced by some mud we get all up in arms. Someone even suggested a $250,000 fine. |
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Yeah, I don't get it. Perspective I think is the word. Of course, it sounds like the guy in the video could use some too. lol at death sentence |
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Reactive is anther good word. Many people live in a constant reactive state, always under attack by someone or something. Lacking a deeper presence, they exist like the surface of the ocean experiencing turbulence whenever the wind blows. |
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Greg D wrote:Our society is interesting. We can run over, behead, crush, cripple and demolish mice, raccoons, deer, elk, bald eagles And so much more without even a conversation. Yet, if someone pushes over a boulder balanced by sone mud we get all up in arms. Someone even suggested a $250,000 fine. I'm all for preserving our natural resources. But come on people. How about some balanced ideas.If you get caught intentionally killing a bald eagle, you go to jail for a year and pay a 100,000 fine. Poaching penalties for killing deer or elk without a license are not small either. And if you intentionally maim an animal on a video, you'll go to jail for animal cruelty. If you accidentally knock over a hoodoo and don't post a video gloating about it online, no one would be getting up in arms. Balance isn't a bad idea, but false equivalence is intellectually dishonest. |
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Yes. It amazes me what people think is ok to do accidentally and intentionally. |
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Andrew Gram wrote: If you get caught intentionally killing a bald eagle, you go to jail for a year and pay a 100,000 fine. Poaching penalties for killing deer or elk without a license are not small either. And if you intentionally maim an animal on a video, you'll go to jail for animal cruelty. If you accidentally knock over a hoodoo and don't post a video gloating about it online, no one would be getting up in arms. Balance isn't a bad idea, but false equivalence is intellectually dishonest.Which is likely only proof of our for-profit prison system's ability to effectively lobby the judges into handing out insane sentences. The world felony has lost all of its meaning. What was once a term reserved for serious crimes that have a very adverse and measurable impact on society, is now used for everything anything beyond jaywalking. I think a fine of $250,000 is steep. Consider this: the fine for a DUI in my state for a first offender is $1,000. So did this guy cause 250 times more damage to society than a drunk semi-truck driver? |
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Wow - Couple of jackmules yukkin' it up on video and we get quite the range of discussion here. From whitecaps on our Karma to wanton squirrel murderers roaming the roads. |
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Mark Pilate wrote:Proposed Sentence: Several months of community service and park clean-up. Must teach a curriculum of proper resource stewardship and leave no trace priciples to their Boy Scout troops. Case Closedwhoa buddy, that is just way too reasonable |
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I watched a story on the News this morning, and it turns out the rock toppler has a pending Workers comp case/settlement. He says his back is too jacked up to work...he's experienced loss of quality of life etc etc...With this video out there, I'd say he's going back to work! |
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So the question is, will he need to move to another state to find work now or is Utah the only state that will take him? |
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doug rouse wrote:I watched a story on the News this morning, and it turns out the rock toppler has a pending Workers comp case/settlement. He says his back is too jacked up to work...he's experienced loss of quality of life etc etc...With this video out there, I'd say he's going back to work!You have way too much faith in the system...he will never return to the workforce. I predict his next step is to sue the park for the loose rock. |
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It seems that the BSA has released the scout leaders from any further activities with the Scouts (Article) . I hope we will hear more good news from Emery County, in the way of formal charges. |
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Charges filed. |