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BGBingham · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2007 · Points: 60

One can look at Utah history and see that it is not unusual for boy scout leaders to take bone-headed actions that reflect very little understanding of nature.

I remember one incident in the Kolob part of Zions in the late 80's that resulted in a couple or three death's. At the time, I read an account in the press where the surviving leaders came up with the notion that it was "character building" for the survivors and gave no acknowledgment of the fact that what they did was outright stupid.

In this case, being worried about the wind toppling this onto a family, is really a stretch and calls into question the sanity of those who would let them "lead" their children. Better they all stay home, drink cokes and watch football.

Marathon · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2010 · Points: 275

I thought it was funny, what's more rediculous then the trundle is all the first world problem police on mountain project..

David B · · Denver, CO · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 205
Nate C wrote: I strongly urge everyone that is appalled by this story to contact these people. It will be more difficult for them to drop charges and/or punishments when the community weighs in strongly. Some of you are downplaying this incident, but what if each day one person knocked over one feature? This applies to caves, mountains, reefs, canyons, anything, without protection, everything would get destroyed over time.
So fine them and be done with it. That's plenty to deter anyone from doing something similar. A felony, though? Give me a break. A felony charge can ruin someone's life.
Dave Bn · · Boise, ID · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 10
Grover wrote:...is all the first world problem police on mountain project..
Whoa, bro, you must be like totally traveled, worldly and aware of third world problems. Did you have to set up the coconut battery to power the computer to type that comment?

ETA - I would venture to guess there's a whole-lota third world tribes that hold geologic formation more sacred and in higher regards than us spoiled first worlders. Some of them might even massacre anyone who damaged or destroyed their icons.
ChrisG George · · Westminster · Joined Oct 2004 · Points: 115

Total jerks. They knew they shouldn't have been doing that. You can tell by the way they were talking about it in the video. Justifying their actions as they were doing it. "a gust of wind could have blown it over" my ass. Look at how much that fat bastard had to push.

en.r · · Ojai, Ca · Joined Dec 2012 · Points: 55

A man that size could have knocked the boulder over with his gravitational force.

R. Moran · · Moab , UT · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 140

It's funny how we pick our battles. Not even a hundred miles away they want to begin destroying the Book Cliffs some of the most pristine untouched wilderness left in the US with Tar Sand mining but we want justice for this rock? Also what about the Nuclear Plant being proposed in Green River. I don't like the idiots either but the keyboard outrage is hilarious when you know what the bigger picture is in the area. I also find it funny that opinions on the matter are weighted on how much time you have logged at The Creek. So please start the remaining posts with how many days in the last year you put in at IC so I can figure out if you really matter.

highaltitudeflatulentexpulsion · · Colorado · Joined Oct 2012 · Points: 35

Sorry R. Moran, that was my bad. I have this bad habit of spraying a known into such a ridiculous corner that any attempt to rebut would probably have to involve dick pics. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy being smarter than these sillynannies but it can be a bit of a burden.

We agree with each other though. Even though I don't like boyscouts (I'm an Eagle), Mormons, or fat bastards, I just can't hate too much. Sure they're idiots but that rock pales in comparison to some of the things you mentioned and so many others.

BGBingham · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2007 · Points: 60

^^^This is the attitude mining companies and nukers love. Divide and conquer the opponents. The mentality expressed in this threads original video is harmful and not dis-similar from that of bigger threats.

Disregard for the environment goes beyond local usage.

edit - directed at Mr. Moran

R. Moran · · Moab , UT · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 140

Nothing Local about a power plant that could potentially contaminate the western US main water source . Also a major source of irrigation for national and global food sources. Make no mistake about it I in no way condone the acts perpetrated in the video. In many ways I find it more irritating than most seeing as how it's in my backyard and I can personalize it. seeing as how I've spent a good deal of time over there. Goblin Valley is incredible, Little Wild Horse and Cracked Canyon are not to be missed either. However there is not much I can do about putting the rock back. The only good I can see coming of this is maybe I can take the time to alert you to some other problems we also face in the area.

BGBingham · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2007 · Points: 60

R Moran,

We are in agreement. My statement about local usage means that non-locals should care about those very things you are speaking up about and, btw, thanks for bringing them to my attention. Like several issues we are facing in Arizona, they rise above just climbing.

I must say that the majority of climbers I know have a much better sense of how nature works and our affect on it than the general (especially sedentary) public. After all, we get out into nature up close and personal.

In light of the fact that an industrial state like Germany can produce up to 2/3 of its power by solar (and it is way more overcast than in Utah), it seems illogical to build a nuclear power plant in Green River as compared to a solar array.

To get back to the original thread, the mentality of those trundlers and their fear of a family being killed by a wind knocking that rock on them is quite unbelievable.

koreo · · Denver, CO · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 85

Just a little quibble and I'll leave the rest of the mp verse to continue on its merry way.

BGBingham wrote: In light of the fact that an industrial state like Germany can produce up to 2/3 of its power by solar (and it is way more overcast than in Utah), it seems illogical to build a nuclear power plant in Green River as compared to a solar array.
Germany receives maybe 4% of its annual power consumption from solar. They're still using just as much coal as U.S. with our meager 2% of solar-produced electricity.
rging · · Salt Lake City, Ut · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 210
nicelegs wrote: I've climbed more at the creek than you. What are you even talking about? I'm asking a question, not defending anyone. I want people to think. You just want to be an asshole. Read, and in your case, maybe reread, then think, then ask your mom what some of those words mean, then after that, you can post.
I reflected and figured out your riddle. See we were talking about a one in a million formation and you were talking about one of millions. So I get it. That's deep. I have to apologize, your example really did make us all think. What we should really be thinking about is how the actions of one idiot gives the authorities one more excuse to deny us access to these special places in the future.
Dylan Hettinger · · Boulder, CO · Joined May 2012 · Points: 5
koreo wrote:Just a little quibble and I'll leave the rest of the mp verse to continue on its merry way. Germany receives maybe 4% of its annual power consumption from solar. They're still using just as much coal as U.S. with our meager 2% of solar-produced electricity.
A further quibble since we're on the internet:

Germany produces about 25% of it's total energy from renewables, which does end up being about 4% of all energy from solar.

But electricity generation from solar- which is what nuclear is effectively exclusively used for--has been as much as 50% at any given moment, but generally speaking more like 20%. Still remarkable given Germany has large coal reserves. And while their per capita consumption actually now exceeds the US (thanks to the natural gas boom in the States), the US consumes 3 times more tons of coal at the end of the day.

Also, I concur: boneheads in Utah should be fined/jailed/caned whatever. Just because corporations get away with destruction of public lands doesn't mean individuals should as well.
20 kN · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,346
nicelegs wrote: Sure they're idiots but that rock pales in comparison to some of the things you mentioned and so many others.
And to add to that, I find it funny that the Department of Justice has time to prosecute these guys, but not the bank CEOs who have cost the world trillions of dollars and 10m+ jobs.

That said, I also find their trolling to be particularly silly, but likely not to the same extent as Utah does.
Thaddeus Thiggins · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2013 · Points: 20

Everyone getting so butt hurt should shut up, it's a 200 million year old rock, the earth we stand on is 5.5 billion years old.

Robin like the bird · · Philomath, or · Joined Jun 2008 · Points: 300

While I do not agree with the trundling of most rocks.( which I believe are all 100s of millions of years old). Is there much of a difference between the dudders in the CNN vid or this one at min. 1:11.

climbing.com/video/unearthe…

Maybe we all are the one singing "wiggle it just - little bit"

The amount of distruction that goes into FAs is in some cases is massive. We should be looking inward at ourself to figure out how we can protect the lands that we love and be better stewards, before we point fingers at others and call others names.

" man always kills the things he loves and so we the pioneers have killed our wilderness. Some may say we had to. Be that as it may. I am glad that I shall never be young without wild country to be young in. Of what avail are fourty freedoms, without a blank spot on the map." Aldo leopold

Snow Lily · · Golden · Joined May 2012 · Points: 35

poor behavior, yes, but this thread is mis-placed outrage. thread makes climbers look like the worst of hypocrites...endless examples..

Mark Pilate · · MN · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 25
Thaddeus Thiggins wrote:Everyone getting so butt hurt should shut up, it's a 200 million year old rock, the earth we stand on is 5.5 billion years old.
I hope master Thaddeus does better than that in school....
Thaddeus Thiggins · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2013 · Points: 20
Mark Pilate wrote: I hope master Thaddeus does better than that in school....
Everyone knows we've been here an extra billion years, just not everyone had migrated from Mars yet.
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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