What's the deal with the chair in RC?
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Dallin Smith wrote:Well, even with the 3 million views and 100,000 shares and all the positivity, the 1% got their wish.1%? No way. 1% maybe vocal enough to express an opinion in a destructive manner on the 'net. My bet is if you polled a fair slice of climbers, you'd get well over 50% who didn't much care for seeing a chair bolted to a cliff. We, as a community, need to at least try to do a better job as minimizing our impact. Bolting a chair to a cliff has no part in that. I'm glad its gone, and, hope it stays that way. Please, no more stunts like that. Thanks. |
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Hey! Hey everyone! This guy is going to be on inside edition! |
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ChefMattThaner wrote: overstatement of the day on MP, and that is saying something!! Some people just can't be happy I guess. A temporary chair and the nazi party have what else in common other then "some people thought they were cool"?? go back to your fun free zone and study analogies some more before you try to spew "information"So let's use the original analogy. People think spray painting a building is cool and if it sells for money then it must be good, and millions of people from afar admire it. Feel free to invite a graffiti artist to tag your entire neighborhood and see how cool you think it is. I'm sure it would be an internet sensation and millions would think it was cool until it happened to them. Sort of like when people turn my local climbing area into a freak show and a band of locals decides they want to ban the freaks. There is nothing cool about that. |
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"Get your fat ass up there! I'll bet if there was some pussy up there you would get up there, wouldn't you?" |
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I guess this is changing the subject, but this is way worse than the chair: |
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^^^ |
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Dallin Smith wrote: On the "climbing code of ethics" my thoughts were to try to expand the mindset of the general public. Yes, I do look at my piece as a more of a message and like that as a renowned street artist Dallin Smith wrote: 1.7 million people thought it was a really good idea. And climbing has completely changed because of it.Nuff said. |
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"Yes, I do look at my piece as a more of a message and like that as a renowned street artist" |
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The "1.7 million people thought it was a really good idea" is a brilliant argument. If I asked 1.7 million people in Samolia how the health care system in New York is what good is that? Of the 1.7 million people how many are local or even from Utah? My guess is .1% which gets us to 170 people. Of these how many leave the city and use the canyons, maybe 10% or 17? How many of those leave trash 10% or aren't bright enough to know that one chair equals 50 tomorrow, another 10%. That gets us to less than 15 people who think "its cool". |
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Dallin Smith wrote:http://imgur.com/gallery/WFkww55 Here's the original post. (this one alone got 1.7 million views) I guess all I'm trying to say is, the first person who bolted a route probably took a lot of heat.The fact that you wrote this without knowing whether it was true or not, demonstrates that you actually NEVER considered the ethics of your actions. Because, as I learned this week, you CANNOT consider the ethics of climbing without learning about bolting and the role it has played in those ethical considerations. You only considered the potential popularity of what you were doing. Your ethical consieration stopped at "this would be SOOOOOO COOOOOOL." Kind of like a teenager. |
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Dallin Smith wrote:http://imgur.com/gallery/WFkww55 Here's the original post. (this one alone got 1.7 million views) I guess all I'm trying to say is, the first person who bolted a route probably took a lot of heat. I'm sure he pissed off all sorts of people. But it may have been possible that 1.7 million people thought it was a really good idea. And climbing has completely changed because of it. What you may look at as "some ignorant asshole throwing trash up on the mtn to impress his girlfriend" the hoards may think it's pretty awesome. Just keep an open mind.Putting aside the argument that ethics/policy should not be dictated by those unaffected by said ethics/policy, do you really think 1.7 views equate to 1.7 million endorsements of your chair? Do you think 1.7 views means 1.7 people have viewed it? |
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imagine how many views it would have had if the chick was naked/half naked! |
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I don't live or climb in Utah and I have no say over local matters. But having just read Dallin Smith's ignorant, self-aggrandizing post about his own act of senseless vandalism, I am shocked. Shocked mostly that he hasn't already been smothered in ridicule. It's been 22 hours! C'mon people, this guy deserves a serious flaming. |
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SethG wrote:I don't live or climb in Utah and I have no say over local matters. But having just read Dallin Smith's ignorant, self-aggrandizing post about his own act of senseless vandalism, I am shocked. Shocked mostly that he hasn't already been smothered in ridicule. It's been 22 hours! C'mon people, this guy deserves a serious flaming.He's a serious artist, like Banksy. Don't criticize him, 1.7 million people clicked like, how many likes did Van Gogh get in 1880? None, that's how many. Maybe you aren't smart enough to understand the message. |
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Dallin's idiotic frat boy rope swing video lead to that poor kid cratering trying to set up the Corona Arch swing. |
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Andrew Gram wrote:Dallin's idiotic frat boy rope swing video lead to that poor kid cratering trying to set up the Corona Arch swing. If the blood on his hands for that sleazy self promotion stunt hasn't fazed him, I doubt ridiculing him over this will have any effect either. He just can't wait to see what he will do next.I was in on that video too. Set the whole thing up actually. It's a pretty big stretch to say that I have "blood on my hands" from the video. People have been killed climbing, BASE jumping, skiing...doing pretty much anything that can be done outside and I don't hear you apportioning blame to the purveyors of climbing or skiing movies. Ultimately, everyone has to take their own safety into their own hands. |
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But this issue has been rehashed ad infinitum. I'm not looking to have the argument again, just asking you to tone down the harsh (and pretty inaccurate) rhetoric. |
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But Austin, Andrew is right, blood IS on your hands. |
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nicelegs wrote:But Austin, Andrew is right, blood IS on your hands. Nice try rationalizing though.Well. I guess I'm totally wrong then. Thanks for clarifying. |
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I love the chair and have it as my desktop for the last few weeks....brings up some nice discussion. |