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can u spot the safety issue ...

Roger Goldstein · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2010 · Points: 30

Outstanding chair and it is made from woven climbing rope. That said should be attached to the wall with equalized weighted slings or a length of climbing rope.

Greg D · · Here · Joined Apr 2006 · Points: 883

Love all the techy answers. But the obvious answer is she didn't floss. People who don't floss have a life expectancy ten years earlier than those that floss. Opera said so.

T Howes · · Bend, OR · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 20

OH MY GOD SHE'S NOT WEARING A HELMET!!!

Alan Doak · · boulder, co · Joined Oct 2007 · Points: 120

I call BS on people wagging their finger at the the nylon sling. I've taken factor 1.5-2 falls onto a spectra daisy while aid climbing, and my giblets are just fine. I've got the empty whiskey bottles to prove it too.

Geir www.ToofastTopos.com · · Tucson/DMR · Joined Jun 2006 · Points: 2,751
nicelegs wrote:The upper biners are facing up, so gravity could unlock them in the case of a long but very low intensity earthquake.
Hahahahahaha!!
Andrew Yasso · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Sep 2012 · Points: 215
Keny Glasscock · · Salt Lake City · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 95
Locker wrote:I see a hot lady.
ditto
Keny Glasscock · · Salt Lake City · Joined Sep 2011 · Points: 95
Ryan Sommers wrote: With lewd comments like these, it's no wonder more women don't post on MP...
Lewd? Dude!! You ain't heard lewd. I thought people were being rather respectful.
Woodchuck ATC · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 3,280

Cute girl. Looks like ultimate hanging belay seat for sure, now I know what my next project is for more old footage of retired climbing ropes laying around here.

Alex McIntyre · · Tucson, AZ · Joined Jan 2011 · Points: 546
Page Weil wrote:I see a cute girl on a sunny day with a big smile. Move along folks, nothing to see here. Pedantic me says that since she is sitting so far away from the wall, the chair wants to pivot around those legs. This means they are putting a lot of outward pull on the bolts (not designed to do that). Quick math: Girl + gear + chair = ~180lbs Distance from center of mass of girl/chair from wall = ~3ft Distance from bottom of legs to anchor bolts = ~6ft 3ft*180lbs = outward pull on each bolt*2*6ft outward pull = ~ 45lbs per bolt. Too much? If she jumps up and down on the chair, outward pull = 100++lbs per bolt Rule #1 of posting new and interesting pictures to Mountain Project: NO FUN ALLOWED.
Have you never climbed a bolted roof or overhanging route? Bolts are fine in pull out as well as shear strength...
Mark Pilate · · MN · Joined Jun 2013 · Points: 25

Alex - that may be an over generalization. While I agree with you mostly, there is a large distribution in bolt strength in perpendicular tension (due to bolt type, installation expertise, age, etc etc) definitely much weaker in that direction.

That said, Page failed to notice that only one of the upper bolts is in tension (the other appears to be in pure shear)....still not enough to worry about.

And Bearbreeder's fear of a shock load on a biner due to the sling is unfounded because the entire chair is a spring steel shock absorber - the leg on the fall side will deform and absorb the energy, as will deformation of the chair frame.

patto · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2012 · Points: 25
Mark Pilate wrote:Alex - that may be an over generalization. While I agree with you mostly, there is a large distribution in bolt strength in perpendicular tension (due to bolt type, installation expertise, age, etc etc) definitely much weaker in that direction.
Definitely much weaker? That is not really true. The difference between shear and tension is often quite negligible for many anchors.
hilti.com/holcom/page/modul…
(~10% isn't what I call 'much weaker')
(Fixe, is 22kN vs 15kN)
Syd · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2013 · Points: 0
bearbreeder wrote: ... its the posting of these "cool" photos and videos on forums where newer climbers dont recognize the inherent risks ... they use dynamic tethers in the workplace and via ferrata when above anchor points for a reason ... remember that someone died trying to copy a popular rope swing video that was posted here ...
There's endless "cool" photos of idiots taking far greater risks, with no protection at all, such as the one below. These folk obviously haven't read the accident statistics for falls unroped.

Allen Sanderson · · On the road to perdition · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 1,203
Alex McIntyre wrote: Have you never climbed a bolted roof or overhanging route? Bolts are fine in pull out as well as shear strength...
Sorry, but yer way off base here. The shear strength is almost always greater than the pull out strength. Educate your self a bit. Start here for a primmer:

safeclimbing.org/education/…
Ryan Nevius · · Perchtoldsdorf, AT · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 1,837
Allen Sanderson wrote: Sorry, but yer way off base here. The shear strength is almost always greater than the pull out strength. Educate your self a bit.
I think you should re-read what he said. He never said pull-out strength was equal to or greater than the shear.
Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,665
slim wrote:the only real safety issue i see is me getting my ass kicked when my wife sees me staring at a picture of a cute girl, and then trying to explain myself by saying that i am looking for a potentially dangerous situation....
I saw this on FB - responded to same effect: Saftey issue- I am sitting here looking and my wife asks "Why are you staring at that picture for so long?"
Not dangerous in and of itself, but I have a problem - a dry sense of humor with no filter - and so it's like a choose your own adventure book.
Tony B · · Around Boulder, CO · Joined Jan 2001 · Points: 24,665
Syd wrote: There's endless "cool" photos of idiots taking far greater risks, with no protection at all, such as the one below. These folk obviously haven't read the accident statistics for falls unroped.
That dude is up on the troll's tongue in Norway, not too far from Voss. Was just there last summer visiting Joseffa:
Allen Sanderson · · On the road to perdition · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 1,203
Ryan Nevius wrote: I think you should re-read what he said. He never said pull-out strength was equal to or greater than the shear.
Yeah yer right ... misread
20 kN · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,346
Allen Sanderson wrote: Sorry, but yer way off base here. The shear strength is almost always greater than the pull out strength. Educate your self a bit. Start here for a primmer: safeclimbing.org/education/…
It depends on the bolt type. Sometimes 3/8" wedge bolts are stronger in tension than shear. For example, the 3/8" Power-Stud carbon steel bolt is rated for 27kN in tension and 23kN in shear. The Hilti Kwik III 3/8" carbon steel bolt is rated for 28kN in tension and 20kN in shear.

Interestingly, once we reach a stud diameter of 1/2", the differences tend to mellow out, and once we reach a stud diameter of 5/8", the bolt becomes stronger in shear than tension. With regard to sleeve bolts, such as the 5-piece, the bolts tend to be stronger in shear regardless of diameter. Also, wedge bolts tend to be stronger, regardless of diameter, in shear if the bolting medium is soft and the bolt is short (e.g. 2,000 PSI). But in that application the mode of failure is often the rock and not the bolt.
Ben Brotelho · · Albany, NY · Joined May 2011 · Points: 520
Buff Johnson wrote:no beverage holder, and no redundant beverage holder should you drop the first beverage
This is the biggest issue I could see.
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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