Trad draws safety
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Hey, |
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i was under the impression that they were quickdraws where the biner was clipped into the rubber retainer of the dogbone but not the nylon |
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How does nothing make it hard to use? Every partner I've ever roped up with has done the "nothing" method and it's FINE. |
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Oh wow - I didn't realize that bearbreeder. Man that's really really sad. |
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Chris Plesko wrote:How does nothing make it hard to use? Every partner I've ever roped up with has done the "nothing" method and it's FINE.^^^^ That. |
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No thanks. |
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Why.... |
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John Marsella wrote:Why even put any rubber bands or tape or anything on the slings? If you want the biners not to move, buy purpose specific slingy-doos like rabbit runners...For a large, open runner you should avoid adding anything. |
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Ted Angus wrote:Why do folks not pre-clove the rope end biner to the sling? .... Have you seen people out there do this? .... Any downsides you can think of?Haven't seen anyone doing this as a matter of routine. I tried it just now. There's a couple things that jumped out at me that I don't like from a trad / multi-pitch perspective ...
Both of the above increase the odds of having to hang out longer placing gear which is neither good for efficiency on a long multi-pitch nor for avoiding getting pumped. One can probably find a routine to avoid that first bullet being a problem. Perhaps also for the second one. But, as someone said upstream, why? There seem to be only cons for doing this with a trad draw / open sling including the one that you mentioned: it weakens the sling. Bill |
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Another point, when you knot the dyneema/spectra type of slings the fibers break down so you'll be replacing them more often. |
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I use trad draws often. I use them without encumbrance of any sort. Just let them swing free when I unravel the tripled sling. It hangs free and I can see that it is ok. I don't use a specific 'biner, just the one that happens to be free. It would definitely slow things down, something you don't want. |
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Folks who don't like biners flopping around at the end of long trad draws could use the 20" Metolius long draw (the longest one in the picture) as a tripled trad quickdraw Unfortunately, I think you have to buy the Metolius biners with the long draws. |
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From the few articles that I have read on this tragic subject, it seems like the issue involved a rubber or plastic keeper at the end of the quickdraw. Petzl sells a little device called the "String" which is designed to keep the rope-side carabiner oriented in the right direction. These can commonly be found on their quickdraws like the Ange QDs and the Spirit QDs. Petzl does issue a warning about a potential failure involving these keepers which can be found here. |
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Yup - I'm swayed and don't like the clove idea much now that I look at it. Too much going on. Thanks for all the input, both constructive and critical. Looks like there's a lot of passionate trad draw users out there! Happy extending. |
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From reading the articles this seems the likley cause of the accident. |
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Similar accident occurred two years ago at the New River Gorge. A girl used one of those rubber keepers on a sling she was using for a tether. She was at the chains, said off belay, leaned back and that was that. |
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BrandonP wrote:From reading the articles this seems the likley cause of the accident. youtube.com/watch?v=4kSaTOI…Haha, "the draw part, sorry, the webbing, I mean dogbone goes in the rubber part, I mean the quickdraw, ugh, the carabiner goes in the, ugh, rubber thing and not in the quickdraw, I mean, carabiner dogbone thing". Reminds me of the gym. |
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Ted.... don't do it. |
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The draws in question: climbing.com/news/the-quick… |