Ivan Greene? What ever became of the chipping thing... ?

Summary of this thread:

no new information, people just keep regurgitating and then eating the same fecal matter that was strewn around the original topic.

You want it in writing? How about this:

"Leave the rocks the way they are. No chipping, filling, sculpting etc of anything on the boulders."

page xiv of Greene's own guidebook.

(So I dunno, maybe you're right...he didn't know it was wrong and shoulda been warned.)

A letter is bullshit. If someone sees someone doing that, they have an obligation to tell that person to stop. If they don't, call DEC and follow him and get a plate #. Then they'll be prosecuted for defacing public property. Plain and simple. Piss on humiliation, let the DEC deal with them, that's what we pay them for. I paid fines for marking trees one time a LONGGGG time ago... It should be dealt with via the law...

Gunkiemike wrote:You want it in writing? How about this: "Leave the rocks the way they are. No chipping, filling, sculpting etc of anything on the boulders." page xiv of Greene's own guidebook. (So I dunno, maybe you're right...he didn't know it was wrong and shoulda been warned.)

So really he wrote himself a letter and just forgot about it...

Eric Bretthauer wrote:About the video... If you see someone mugging an old lady, and you do nothing, your either a pussy, or gutless. I'll let you decide which if it was sooooo wrong... Just sayin... One that watches something that isn't right going on, but lets it go is pretty much just as guilty in my opinion, the law seems to see it that way too. It's called accessory.

If you see an old lady being mugged by a group of armed thugs, you'd be stupid to jump in to try to help. Your 'help' would be pretty useless once you've been stabbed in the chest. The best thing to do would be to call for help and make note of as much as you can to try and identify the assailants. Being the witness of a crime is certainly NOT accessory.

Should the people making the video have said something to him? Maybe, maybe not, but saying that they have ANY fault in what Ivan was doing is simply ridiculous.

Eric Bretthauer wrote:A letter is bullshit. If someone sees someone doing that, they have an obligation to tell that person to stop. If they don't, call DEC and follow him and get a plate #. Then they'll be prosecuted for defacing public property. Plain and simple. Piss on humiliation, let the DEC deal with them, that's what we pay them for. I paid fines for marking trees one time a LONGGGG time ago... It should be dealt with via the law...

I think the thought was to avoid going to the landowner, DEC, because it could very likely threaten the resource for all. But then again some would argue maybe that would have been a good thing. If we can't collectively use it without destroying it maybe it shouldn't be used? As far as I know it was a pretty effective approach they took with regard to stopping the chipping. I asked the same q's about why they didn't just call the police on him.

And you Ian are what society has become... Better to go down lion than live as a lamb... Bahhhhhhh!!!!!!

Ivan's a poor example to get behind for human rights/advocacy issues.

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That's an entirely inappropriate post. You never know what emotional state any poster is in. Encouraging someone to kill themselves, even in jest, is never OK. Ever.

Have you had a friend commit suicide yet? Someone who seemed happy and had everything to live for? If not, it's likely at some point you will.

Think about it.

lets all cheer up with this masterpiece-

youtube.com/watch?v=3jqR4Mk…

is that Sahalie playing the tambourine ?

no, its Jeremy A's mom.

lol

OMFG! That video is so bad I thought that it was a parody.