Looking for some beta on Epinephrine

Guess I need to take down my comment about being grateful for the tape... Except I really was on that night, at that point. Guess this makes me a soft noob gym climber. Whatever. I see the points against it. But I sure loved it at that moment! Also, having climbed it once last month and twice in the last 6 months- while above the chimneys may be soft as a newborn's pooh, personally i disagree but whatever, the fact is there are MANY places where you are looking at 30+ foot falls on sketch gear if you F up, and you'll be mentally and physically drained a bit if you are the average climber, so it ain't like a waltz up cat in the hat. Just my opinion. Careful taking the advice of guys crushing 5.13 sport and sending .12 big routes if that ain't you. I've learned that the hard way.

My advice for the .10a trad leader (soft grades, I guess): Don't bring singles. Bring doubles. Heck triple on 2 and 3 if you can handle it. Bring a 4 and a 5. Turns out cams aint that hard to carry on 5.9 face.... One pack, 2 liters per person, drag on sling through chimneys. Commit to the route bring single 60, and haul ass in those chimneys! Don't turn early on the descent and you've got it.

How are cairns marking the descent that much different than tape marking the descent? Someone please articulate this apparently substantial difference for my feeble mind.

Shiny reflective tape vs three small rocks stacked upon one another. I think from an environmental perspective it's obvious. Both mark a trail sure.

Not following. Is the tape bad for the environment?

After climbing a chalked-up climb with bolts, and following stacks of rocks on the way down, is it the visual impact that is offensive?

Seems to me like the trail markers the DEC nails into trees along trails to mark the line. Many have reflective properties. Are those offensive?

Go to the gear store in Vegas and buy a gearlooptopo. Those things are great! They are less than a few bucks also. So nice to have that laminated piece of beta on your harness for approach, climb, and descent. It also gives you gear, sun, and people beta.

I have met you. So actually very likely.

Weston L wrote: The only people who would have THAT much difficult with the descent given the beta found in guidebooks and on the internets are gym climbers who don't belong on the route to begin with. We onsighted the descent in the dark with low IQ's, dehydrated bodies, and again not being the sharpest tools in the shed. A few hours of ridge-walking and we were back at the car enjoying some frosty PBR's. The view of the city at night was beautiful, and you are correct insofar that the temps were pleasant. Once we descended below the level of the Whiskey Peak summit I started pouring sweat. Not pleasant at that point. The reflective tape was there, and oddly enough wasn't on the areas that might confuse anyone with any mountain sense. The tape was after the ridge drops down to the saddle with Whiskey, where the only people who could get lost are those wondering "what are those strange rock piles everywhere for?" - fortunately the pieces are rather small and sparse. If I didn't have work the next morning and cold PBR's awaitin' I might have taken it down; maybe 5 or 6 small pieces, probably wouldn't be noticeable in daylight. These are simply the musings of a low-IQ punter and thus YMMV

You're probably right, we probably should have stayed in the gym... Give a holler if yer ever in Northern Arizona and I would gladly give you a tour of some routes with really straight forward approaches and descents and turn you loose on some routes that us gym climbers have put up.

Dow Williams wrote:I have met you. So actually very likely.

You this huge of a douche in real life too?

I'm speaking more of a perceived environment. i'm not a fan of seeing any sort of non-natural markings when i'm out in what i perceive as "Wilderness".

I guess we can deteriorate into the debate about what degree of comfortization is appropriate for the masses versus personal preference, but that would then deteriorate into another bolts/no bolts thread which would degenerate into a a CT sport climbing/bolt chopping thread etc....

BSheriden wrote: You this huge of a douche in real life too?

His whole post history is like somebody gave his ballsack a bullhorn.

I found it a good idea to do Frogland the day before to see where the end of the descent trail is. Seeing it from that end made it super easy to know where it would be from the top of Epi.

So how'd it go????? Trip report???

Perhaps too late for the OP, but the Epinepherine page on this site (duh) has a whole sequence of photos of the descent. See mountainproject.com/v/10810… and the next five shots.

if you have a smart phone check out the app called RAKKUP they teamed up with supertopo and created a pretty cool guide. I think epinephrine is in there.

OP...did the beta help?