Dog pissed on my rope

Caprinae monkey wrote:I'm only going to answer question #2. I don't know why you want another guy to answer it, you are a guy and another guy would have similar insight, and in an internet forum no one wants to come across as a bastard to women. I also apologize in advance that I am long-winded. I'm a female, and I don't think you should treat the irresponsible female dog owner any differently than you would treat another man. If you would have yelled at another guy, yell at her. If you would have not said anything to another guy, don't say anything to her. Women are in many ways equal now - we have the right to work, vote, and participate in almost every activity traditionally for men. Therefore we should not expect alternate treatment. If women got the "right" (who would want this) to fight in the front lines of troops, then men should not act all chivlorous and put their lives in danger. (However, I understand why women should not be in the front lines, I personally would have a tough time dragging an injured man out of danger). "Women and children first" was fine back in the day when women were also deprived of other privileges. Of course, if a woman is pregnant, or if she is not physically strong or tall enough to do something, yes help her, but that is due to her physical capabilities (just like you would help a blind guy cross the street) - and not by virtue of her being simply female. In this case, her gender or physical capabilites had nothing to do with her control of her dog. So now she probably thinks her dog can go pee on people's stuff, including NON-REDUNDANT life saving equipment. Yes it is gross if the dog pees on a jacket (and on a rope too as you have to flake the rope across your hands or coil by draping across your shoulders) but it's not keeping you alive. If anything, having an acidic liquid penetrate your rope is sure to make you feel uncomfortable, possibly sketching you out during scary climbs. I think her response of "it's never done that before" was not a good explanation. It did pee on your rope regardless. As an analogy, it is important to lock the carabiner on the belay device to the belayer each and every time. Maybe 99% of the time the rope doesn't push the gate open and the belay device/rope remains inside the biner, but there might be that one time it does. "Had never done that before" is not a good excuse, when there is something she can do - just leash the dog. She probably won't have offered to buy you a rope, pay for the damage, or traded ropes, unless you brought it up. There's no incentive for her to do so. I probably wouldn't take her rope though, who knows what it's been thru (more dog pee?) Yes usually when you spill wine on someone's white blouse you offer to replace it. But because the rope is more expensive, she didn't want to bring it up. Even though it is invisible, dog pee ruins the purpose of the rope (safety purpose) as much as red wine ruins a white blouse (for it's looks... a person can still wear it and it would prevent them from being naked and keep them slightly warm). Depite the apparently minimal reduction of the strength from cat pee tests, it seems that there is some reduction in strengh, and who wants that in their rope? It would also prevent you from climbing as hard as you may otherwise if you are wondering whether your rope needs that extra 13%. Heck maybe if that guy in Yosemite's rope was 13% stronger it would not have cut and he may be alive. Your life is nothing to toy with, and this is no time to worry about whether you are being kind and courteous to the girl. Did she show you the same courtesy? If your rope fails later on, that would be your life, versus a few minutes of her discomfort at being yelled at, or some coin. It is not very fair if you have to foot the bill of her mistake. Even though she did not pee on it, she is the "master" of her dog and is responsible for its actions. Just like when you are driving for a company, if the driver gets in an accident the company is responsible for it. If you don't feel comfortable yelling at a girl, have ME (or another girl) go yell at her. However, I'd probably first nicely ask for a replacement / damage cost (price of your rope reduced by the cost of how much you have used it) before yelling.

Long winded post of the day award goes to you again!

Please learn how to summarize your thoughts and then post the most pertinent ones. No one is going to bother to read through your four page post so why do you take the time to write it?

It would be one thing if it contained useful information but its usually just you blathering on about nothing.

BSheriden wrote: Long winded post of the day award goes to you again! Please learn how to summarize your thoughts and then post the most pertinent ones. No one is going to bother to read through your four page post so why do you take the time to write it? It would be one thing if it contained useful information but its usually just you blathering on about nothing.

If I feel like writing, and I'm not breaking guideline #1, then there is nothing in MP saying I can't!

You on the other hand, pretty much all you do is violate Guideline #1.

BSheriden wrote: Long winded post of the day award goes to you again! Please learn how to summarize your thoughts and then post the most pertinent ones. No one is going to bother to read through your four page post so why do you take the time to write it? It would be one thing if it contained useful information but its usually just you blathering on about nothing.

The stupidity on this website never ceases to amaze me. This guy signed up 2 weeks ago and has made nothing but useless contributions. They are basically limited to, "That climb looks so easy", "Gym climbers suck" and, "There are too many bolts on that route." It must be easy to talk tough from your mom's basement.

FYI, her useless blather was a direct answer to the question posed. If you don't want to read what she wrote, nobody has a gun to your head.

If I was a betting man, I'd guess Elenor picked up a new alias.

Caprinae monkey wrote:I'm only going to answer question #2. I don't know why you want another guy to answer it, ...

Because it would have been two sentences long.

I paused at this point, scrolled down and said I've got better things to spend my time on.

Matt N wrote: Because it would have been two sentences long. I paused at this point, scrolled down and said I've got better things to spend my time on.

Why don't we face the truth, nobody here has better things to spend their time on, and are all on MP wasting time at work. Otherwise, why are you clicking on an internet forum with the discussion titled "Dog pissed on my rope"?

...and now I see why MP is "80 percent men." I'm going back to etsy and pintrest.

TheBirdman wrote: If I was a betting man, I'd guess Elenor picked up a new alias.

I'm pretty sure Elenor is now craghead.

Anyway, I don't recall her ever being mean in the normal sense. She just posts mind explodingly bizarre anti-grammatical nonsense like

"can you get a hernia if you accidentally swallow a swiss arky nife by accident and your partner tries to commit suicide by bashing his head in to your stomach on the last pitch of nutcracker?"

Maybe yarp is back?

Extremely lame behavior on the part of the dog owner. So many dog owners out there act like it's their god-given right to allow their dog to run amok all over crag, trampling and pissing on gear, stealing lunches and snacks, hassling other better-trained dogs, leaving shit in the skintrack....

It boils down to this: nobody's bothered/pissed off/annoyed if there aren't dogs around when they're climbing. Plenty of people, however, ARE bothered when poorly trained dogs are out wreaking havoc nearby you at the crag. Too few dog owners understand that they're imposing their own will on everyone else at the crag when they bring their dog with them. Kind of like people that loudly broadcast their tunes at the base of a climb.

I truly think some of these dog owners are so self-centered that they've never even thought the behavior of their dog would negatively impact someone else's day. Which, to your question Birdman, is why it's important to let the owner know that their behavior isn't cool and actually quite disrespectful.

The Gear Guy covered this one:

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TheBirdman wrote: What's the etiquette here?

The answer should be obvious. Leave your mongrel at home.

Perhaps it's your best/only girlfriend/boyfriend ? Are you so dependent on an animal you can't bear to be apart ? Find some real (human) friends ! Show some consideration for other climbers before some equally nutty climber shoots your pest.

If you are going to worry about it, retire it. If it stinks and you can't wash it and get the smell out, retire it.

One of our cats pissed on a relatively new dry rope. I couldn't get the smell out for the life of me; tried both baking soda and woolite, both didn't do much so ultimately I junked it. If I had gotten the smell out I would have still climbed on it.

piss eates rope.

Nick Stayner wrote:Extremely lame behavior on the part of the dog owner. So many dog owners out there act like it's their god-given right to allow their dog to run amok all over crag, trampling and pissing on gear, stealing lunches and snacks, hassling other better-trained dogs, leaving shit in the skintrack.... It boils down to this: nobody's bothered/pissed off/annoyed if there aren't dogs around when they're climbing. Plenty of people, however, ARE bothered when poorly trained dogs are out wreaking havoc nearby you at the crag. Too few dog owners understand that they're imposing their own will on everyone else at the crag when they bring their dog with them. Kind of like people that loudly broadcast their tunes at the base of a climb. I truly think some of these dog owners are so self-centered that they've never even thought the behavior of their dog would negatively impact someone else's day. Which, to your question Birdman, is why it's important to let the owner know that their behavior isn't cool and actually quite disrespectful.

I could have not said it better myself.

My question: What do you do when Bsheridan pisses all over your thread?

SuperTopo is in meltdown mode so maybe all the retards came back to MP looking for a good time?

Choss Chasin' wrote:My question: What do you do when Bsheridan pisses all over your thread?

LOL, who forgot to leash their BSheriden?

Turd Ferguson! wrote: taking "graduate level" classes from the University of Phoenix (yes, really!).

For what is is worth, having attended UoP, I can say that the upper-division credits are not as easily achievable as some seem to think. A standard one-week assignment in a 400-level class (undergrad) is a 7,000 to 12,500-word group essay, a 3,500-word individual-assignment essay and 100 pages of reading, all due in a week. As an added bonus, the student gets to repeat the essay-writing and readings every week until the class is complete. So while UoP is very far from Ivy-League status, the students do actually have to bust their asses in the upper-division classes, especially considering most of them also work full time. That said, I still think the professors should grade harder as many of the students in the lower-division classes can't write for shit.

UoP has some shortcomings, that is for damn sure. However, in some cases it does not really matter--such as in mine. I work in the IT field. If I roll into a job interview and mention my degree (once I actually earn it), the HR director is likely to just shrug his shoulders and say, "that's nice, but what certifications do you have? Do you have a federal security clearance? What type of experience do you have?" In the IT world, degrees, regardless if from UoP or a state school, don't matter as much as the previously-mentioned assets. So in situations like that, UoP may be an appropriate choice for a student, depending on his or her situation. However, in situations where the school name really does matter (e.g. law), UoP is clearly not a good option.

Turd Ferguson! wrote: I wouldn't worry about it too much. It is just EricSchmidt coming back after his butthurt month-long break from mp. I'm sure he will get heckled to death again and run away pouting like he did last time, only to resurface with a new moniker and hopes that he won't be made fun of for being a clerk at REI and taking "graduate level" classes from the University of Phoenix (yes, really!).

Don't know who EricSchmidt is, never worked at REI, and already have my bachelors and do not plan on ever getting my graduate degree. So not sure what your getting at?

Edit: and I just looked at your "posts" and all you seem to do is troll and make negative comments(or accuse me of being "EricSchmidt"). The 10 or 15 posts I looked at all had nothing to do with climbing, so why are ya here? Just to be an internet tough guy?

+1 for pissing on the dog

Turd Ferguson! wrote: I wouldn't worry about it too much. It is just EricSchmidt coming back after his butthurt month-long break from mp. I'm sure he will get heckled to death again and run away pouting like he did last time, only to resurface with a new moniker and hopes that he won't be made fun of for being a clerk at REI and taking "graduate level" classes from the University of Phoenix (yes, really!).

Thanks for clearing that up, I was wondering if EricSchmidt fell into a ravine on his first outdoor climbing trip.

BSheriden wrote: Don't know who EricSchmidt is, ?

Very similar personality... if BSheriden is not EricSchmidt, EricSchmidt must have died for sure and came back as BSheriden.

BSheriden wrote: Wow, sure you don't want to go back and change that post into a rambling 4 page essay like your typical response?

I write essays because I'm trying to help, and also explain the reasoning behind my suggestion. I'm sorry men don't have the patience to read. I can tell men don't read, because the 1st guy who responded misread OP's questions and until I did none of the other responders touched upon OP's second question. Or they suggested to hurt the dog, when OP clearly stated he did not blame the animal. Maybe it's time for everyone to go back to UoP and brush up on those reading skills!

Anyhow, no chance of me going to etsy or pintrest, now that I'm assured of a rapt audience I'm going to whip up some more rambling for your reading pleasure.

BSheriden wrote: Edit: and I just looked at your "posts" and all you seem to do is troll and make negative comments(or accuse me of being "EricSchmidt"). The 10 or 15 posts I looked at all had nothing to do with climbing, so why are ya here? Just to be an internet tough guy?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.