Outdoor "expensiveness" conspiracy

This is all the Patagucci BS you need to get out the front door and get after it.

Badass

Anyone know who this badass is?

To the OP,
So Sally was an oil engineer and a commercial banker before her REI gig.

washingtonpost.com/blogs/po…

What labels her as a bad candidate for a government position? What FACTS can you list about her to establish your point beyond your original post?

The fact that she was an oil engineer means she'll understand a lot of what is going on with the pipelines and Canadian oil issue.

The fact that she has a commercial banking background means she can understand the complexities of our goverment's financial system.

So far I am not convinced she is a poor choice. From the 1 paragraph I read on the Washington post's website she sounds like a decent choice.

Randy,

The fact that she has that experience is very disturbing to me. Both of those industries are essentially terrorist organizations praying on the world population and environment. Why would anyone with a background in business be fit for government?

Mike Oxlong wrote: Both of those industries are essentially terrorist organizations praying on the world population and environment.

I don't think you understand the word "terrorist." Or "praying" for that matter.

Mike Oxlong wrote:Why would anyone with a background in business be fit for government?

Troll? Pure sarcasm?
Unless you've been living under a rock you should probably have realized by now that these terms are interchangeable.
Check your rock to see if it was made in the USA...

Edit: nice one, "praying".

Granted terrorism is a broad term. I consider the Gulf oil spill a blatant act of terrorism. Same company also instigated the overthrow of a democratically elected leader in Iran among other things. Banks have almost destroyed our economy and continue to counterfeit American currency. They have caused way more damage than any "act of terrorism" as we commonly know it.

Praying? Preying? Another pointless correction for the sake of reinforcing the minds sense of rightness? Well done.

Mike Lane wrote: Who talks like that? Is this not the same as just saying 'considerable'?

No, it's not, because there is a range between not considerable and considerable. So calling their profits "not inconsiderable" is saying that they may be, but are not necessarily considerable; they may be just meh profits.

I believe her experience will help her with the position she is filling. She has an engineering background so factual data is important. She was in business so she understands the financial workings of the proposals she may have to review.

Can we identify her motives? Do we have any facts about her work history that would make us uneasy?

I am a fact person and I can't find any facts about her that are alarming.

Only when the oppressed proletariat of dirt-bags rise up will all of these evil capitalist pigs be defeated.
To arms brothers!! Turn your energies from sending to overthrowing the government!!!!

Nah...it's too nice a day to plot revolution

Mike Oxlong wrote:Granted terrorism is a broad term. I consider the Gulf oil spill a blatant act of terrorism. Same company also instigated the overthrow of a democratically elected leader in Iran among other things. Banks have almost destroyed our economy and continue to counterfeit American currency. They have caused way more damage than any "act of terrorism" as we commonly know it. Praying? Preying? Another pointless correction for the sake of reinforcing the minds sense of rightness? Well done.

Actually it was the British government with help from the American government that overthrew the Iranian Government in 1953.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_…

AIOC / BP was no doubt happy to see this happen, but they weren't the ones who instigated the coup.

Combining this mistake with your prey/pray blunder, I find myself really wondering how much thought you put into your statements, and I become reluctant to grant you too much credibility. Just sayin'.

In nominating Jewell, President Obama said, “She is an expert on the energy and climate issues that are going to shape our future. She is committed to building our nation-to-nation relationship with Indian Country. She knows the link between conservation and good jobs. She knows that there’s no contradiction between being good stewards of the land and our economic progress; that in fact, those two things need to go hand in hand.”

I don't believe there is any connection between conserving the nations resources and creating profits. It concerns me that a former employee of Mobil, a company that denies climate change, will be working with energy companies to exploit our resources for their financial gain.

I think a land manager of that scale should be educated and experienced in ecology not business.

Mark, maybe you are mistaken.

The article you linked seems to point to the attempt to nationalize the oil resources as the major motivator for the coup. It also primarily describes the activities of the cia which were all highly illegal. Of course there is more to the story than we can find in wikipedia.

Your opinion that bp had no influence may be incorrect. More research on this topic may change your mind. It's unfortunate that you believe your thought to be fact, it makes it hard to learn when you are so sure of yourself. I hope for your sake the comment about a spelling error comprimising my credibility was a joke.

Peteoria wrote:, Decathlon ships its goods to every major country in the WORLD, including Canada & Mexico, but they are banned from online sales in the US market. hmmm.... I thought our current economic theory is based on few barriers to entry & healthy competition.

Unless decathlon ships to countries under an embargo like Iran or North Korea, there would be no reason they "can't" ship to the US. More likely, they choose not to ship to the US.

As far as high price items, who cares, people can buy and wear whatever they want.

For me, I'm going to get today's best waterproof/breathable shell. However, I'm going to get today's best about 2 or 3 years from now, when it's 75% off on campsaver. Also, it will be the funky color that never sold, so it goes on clearance. That's just how I buy.

Doesnt EMS compete with REI? In fact EMS was the reason a lot of their stores closed down on the east coast in the 90`s. I`m sure there are other more popular local outdoor shops that give REI a run for their money as well.

Mike Oxlong wrote:In nominating Jewell, President Obama said, “She is an expert on the energy and climate issues that are going to shape our future. She is committed to building our nation-to-nation relationship with Indian Country. She knows the link between conservation and good jobs. She knows that there’s no contradiction between being good stewards of the land and our economic progress; that in fact, those two things need to go hand in hand.” I don't believe there is any connection between conserving the nations resources and creating profits. It concerns me that a former employee of Mobil, a company that denies climate change, will be working with energy companies to exploit our resources for their financial gain. I think a land manager of that scale should be educated and experienced in ecology not business.

Jewell worked for Mobil for three years--1978 through 1981--long before anthropogenic climate change was an issue. Mobil actually was fairly progressive on climate change in the 1990s; its chief scientist even worked on the IPCC reports. Mobil does not exist anymore since it merged with Exxon in 1999. The resulting ExxonMobil is reactionary--as well as being a leading source of funding for climate change deniers, it also rescinded Mobil's domestic partner benefits and non-discrimination policies.

Mike Oxlong wrote: It's unfortunate that you believe your thought to be fact, it makes it hard to learn when you are so sure of yourself.

Awesomely hypocritical. BP was owned by the British Gov at the time of the coup. You are arguing semantics.

Mike Oxlong wrote: Granted terrorism is a broad term. I consider the Gulf oil spill a blatant act of terrorism. Same company also instigated the overthrow of a democratically elected leader in Iran among other things. Banks have almost destroyed our economy and continue to counterfeit American currency. They have caused way more damage than any "act of terrorism" as we commonly know it.

Calling the Newtown shooting a 'terrorist' attack is using the term broadly. This is disgraceful hyperbole.

The economy is a multifaceted, complexed and global system. The slow economy is a result of several factors with only a small factor being the American banking system. Also, banks did not make people take home loans they couldn't afford. People are responsible for their own personal finances. The oil spill, on the other hand, was not so much a 'blatant' act of violence to attain political or religious goals as it was an avoidable accident that was the result of a company wide culture of neglecting safety practices.

Terrorism is absolutely not a 'broad term'. It's definition is very clear. Comparing the acts of the banking and energy industries with ANY single domestic terrorist attack this country has faced is poorly worded, ignorant, unsympathetic and callous. The events of 9/11 alone killed nearly 3,000 civilians while causing political and economic ramifications that we, as a country, are still feeling the effects of today. The numerous events 'commonly' known as terrorist acts have seperated countless families and caused an unmeasurable amount of emotional and physical pain.

You, sir, are a stupid hippie and deserve to be kicked straight in the testicles.

People and groups of people seek to obtain and maintain power. Hallelujah! I have seen the light! Thank you Mountain Project!

What's the point of arguing with Mr. Keeper-of-the-Truth conspiracy nutjob anyway?

You, sir, are a stupid hippie and deserve to be kicked straight in the testicles.

+1

PRRose,

Thanks for the info. Is your point that past employment had no influence on her? Maybe so.

Greg,

My hypocritical statement was trying to say this. I don't believe what I think to be fact, rather my opinion based on the information I have on a given topic at the time. I think it's dangerous when people hold on to ideas so strongly that they will not consider anything else.

I'm not sure what semantics have to do with it. Do you agree or disagree that BP, British owned, instigated an illegal overthrow of another government? If so does that not fit your definition of terrorism?

Regarding a clear definition from wiki:
There is neither an academic nor an international legal consensus regarding the definition of the term "terrorism".[1][2] Various legal systems and government agencies use different definitions of "terrorism". Moreover, the international community has been slow to formulate a universally agreed upon, legally binding definition of this crime. These difficulties arise from the fact that the term "terrorism" is politically and emotionally charged.[3]

Dictionary.com:
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

My understanding was that the war on terror is purposefully vague so that it can be all inclusive and unending.

The story of Iran is not an isolated incident. Who knows how many times and in what countries similar actions have played out. More recently Venezuela went through the same thing but the coup, again instigated by oil companies and carried out by CIA, was unsuccessful.

Blatant act was a poor choice of words but this is generally how I feel. Harmful acts on populations and environments is terrorism (my definition). I don't distinguish between motivations be it religion, politics, profit, or just severe negligence. So I group most industries in the terrorist category. To me it doesn't matter if it's the food industry or a militia intentionally poisoning our food supply, the result is the same.

I think you under estimate the role and influence of banks in the global economy, ever hear of the IMF? It is now common knowledge that they intentionally crashed our economy for profit. Hedge funds (which were designed around failure) were a big part of that as well the predatory lending practices and fractional reserve banking. While I agree that people are responsible for their actions they are also being deeply manipulated in the process.

As for the hateful comments that added nothing to the discussion, if you need to label me I am not a hippie. I am a punk rocker.

I don't agree with anything you've said but I'm not arguing your crack pot ideas. My point is to relate any of your conspiracy theories to terrorist attacks is ignorant. The reluctance to specify a definition is not so people can include whatever they want. If you have a problem with capitalism, that's fine. If you feel a slow economy in anyway relates to the mass destruction and tragedy of real terrorism then you are an indecent human being that lacks sympathy for the indivduals that have been affected by a real terrorism.