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JacobK
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May 28, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined May 2013
· Points: 0
After lurking on here for a while and recently visting Moab for my 3rd year there is an issue that I fell needs to be adressed. I have seen a few posts and personally seen a few examples of people "improving" approach trails. I really enoy climbing but also do my share of wheeling. Many of the approach trails are also 4x4 trails and "improving" them is really not cool. It's akin to someone going out and chiseling a 5.10 so that it becomes a 5.8. Please either walk or if you really feel that you need to keep driving remove the stuf you added to help your self. I have been lurking on this site for quite a while and I hate for my first post to be complaining but I really felt this needed to be addressed. Moab is one of my favorite places on earth and is a mecca for basically anything outdoors and it's just not cool to ruin the experience for anyone using the area.
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Greg Berry
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May 28, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Aug 2010
· Points: 0
This has to be a troll. 4 x 4 ethics. I'm laughing my ass off.
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safetyfourth
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May 28, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Mar 2013
· Points: 20
I'm going out of a limb and going to say that you are from Colorado? If it smells like dipshit, It's probably a 'Rado.
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JacobK
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May 28, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined May 2013
· Points: 0
Nope live in New Mexico and from Atlanta. What's so funny about 4x4 ethics? I know lots of people who think that rock climbing ethics are just as laughable. Many of the areas in the southeast have been trashed whether by climbers or by other users doesn't matter it's the perception. People enjoy doing dfferent things why do you get to judge them?
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Greg Berry
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May 28, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Aug 2010
· Points: 0
Don't get me wrong I find climbing ethics the most laughable. Ethics are what climbers talk about with two feet on the ground. 4x4 ethics that just made me laugh as well. I grew up goin' muddin' with my cousins and we destroyed our share of shit. This site is just full of trolls and sometimes and can't help myself.
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BSheriden
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May 28, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined May 2013
· Points: 0
JacobK wrote:It's akin to someone going out and chiseling a 5.10 so that it becomes a 5.8. Not at all. You can't replace a chiseled out pocket but its pretty easy to kick over a rock that someone placed to make the road easier to drive.
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JacobK
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May 28, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined May 2013
· Points: 0
BSheriden wrote: Not at all. You can't replace a chiseled out pocket but its pretty easy to kick over a rock that someone placed to make the road easier to drive. It's not so easy to dig out a filled in whopdee-do or crack or put back a boulder that's been rolled out. Not to mention getting trails closed by driving off trail to get around obstacles you can't drive over.
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safetyfourth
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May 29, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Mar 2013
· Points: 20
JacobK wrote: It's not so easy to dig out a filled in whopdee-do or crack or put back a boulder that's been rolled out. Not to mention getting trails closed by driving off trail to get around obstacles you can't drive over. So, if I hear you correctly, you don't like it when people fix a divot or rut that HUMANS produced (with their gas powered motor vehicle) What kind of backwards ass logic is this? You're out of your element Donnny.
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Bob Dobalina
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May 29, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Jun 2009
· Points: 140
Climbers thinking that they have a better environmental ethic and jeepers have none is just crazy talk! Climbers don't drive to the crags? Or take endless road trips? Climbers don't blaze hiking trails to the base of almost every cliff in the Canyonlands? Climbers aren't the ones taking up every camping/parking spot in Indian Creek? Requiring huge, new paved parking lots and new regulations? I agree with the OP. Not every rough approach road should be "comfortized" to the point that every hippy in a Westfalia can drive right up to the base. Jeep clubs raise big bucks for resource protection. Climbers typically don't bother giving anything back. I'm NOT a jeeper at all, I'm a climber. And many jeepers do get a justified bad rap but I've just got to call out the blatant hypocrisy being spewed on this post. Live and let live...
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safetyfourth
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May 29, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Mar 2013
· Points: 20
Bob Dobalina wrote:Climbers thinking that they have a better environmental ethic and jeepers have none is just crazy talk! Climbers don't drive to the crags? Or take endless road trips? Climbers don't blaze hiking trails to the base of almost every cliff in the Canyonlands? Climbers aren't the ones taking up every camping/parking spot in Indian Creek? Requiring huge, new paved parking lots and new regulations? I agree with the OP. Not every rough approach road should be "comfortized" to the point that every hippy in a Westfalia can drive right up to the base. Jeep clubs raise big bucks for resource protection. Climbers typically don't bother giving anything back. I'm NOT a jeeper at all, I'm a climber. And many jeepers do get a justified bad rap but I've just got to call out the blatant hypocrisy being spewed on this post. Live and let live... (The obligatory random 'Rado shows up shit spraying an ethics posting about how he is a climber and hates climbers all at the same time. Then attempts to make some non-sensical argument about how Jeeps are less destructive than a scrawny dirtbag, in a state he doesn't even live in, and all the while points out the beloved Westfalia of his Green license plate Rado brethren)
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Bob Dobalina
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May 29, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Jun 2009
· Points: 140
If we can't laugh at ourselves, who can we laugh at? I see that you hate Colorado. I would too if I lived in Utah. We do have better mountains, weed, beer, and girls...
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ben jammin
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May 29, 2013
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Moab, UT
· Joined Jul 2008
· Points: 852
safetyfourth wrote: (The obligatory random 'Rado shows up shit spraying an ethics posting about how he is a climber and hates climbers all at the same time. Then attempts to make some non-sensical argument about how Jeeps are less destructive than a scrawny dirtbag, in a state he doesn't even live in, and all the while points out the beloved Westfalia of his Green license plate Rado brethren) Classic. Safety, I'll give you a catch anytime. Jacob, your analogy, and this thread, are ridiculous.
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Andrew Gram
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May 29, 2013
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Salt Lake City, UT
· Joined Jan 2001
· Points: 3,725
Should we also put back the empty beer cans, carls jr wrappers, and cigarette butts so the jeep roads stay in their natural condition?
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Tug
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May 29, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Jul 2007
· Points: 0
Yeah Colorado is so awesome. That's why you invade us every spring and fall. I'll make you a deal. You stay in Colorado with yer awesome mountains, chronic, and slutty hippy chicks and we'll stick to our towers, PBR, and morman babes that like to marinade and have butt sex. Deal?
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camhead
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May 29, 2013
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Vandalia, Appalachia
· Joined Jun 2006
· Points: 1,240
Tug wrote:Yeah Colorado is so awesome. That's why you invade us every spring and fall. I'll make you a deal. You stay in Colorado with yer awesome mountains, chronic, and slutty hippy chicks and we'll stick to our towers, PBR, and morman babes that like to marinade and have butt sex. Deal? I'm congenitally Utahrded, and I approve of this post. ColoRadGuys, GTFO!
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Bob Dobalina
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May 29, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Jun 2009
· Points: 140
I bet that I've done more in Utah than you guys have. But pissing contests are lame and I guess that you are automatically cooler because you live there. It's been my home away from home for twenty years now. I live pretty close to the border and frequent your lovely state quite often. I know it inside and out. You can keep your holier than thou Utard attitude.
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NC Rock Climber
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May 29, 2013
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The Oven, AKA Phoenix
· Joined Dec 2009
· Points: 60
I have had food poisoning / a stomach flu for the last 36 hours. While I was reading this post, I took my first solid shit in days. Somehow, it seemed appropriate and I wanted to share.
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camhead
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May 29, 2013
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Vandalia, Appalachia
· Joined Jun 2006
· Points: 1,240
Bob Dobalina wrote:I bet that I've done more in Utah than you guys have. But pissing contests are lame and I guess that you are automatically cooler because you live there. It's been my home away from home for twenty years now. I live pretty close to the border and frequent your lovely state quite often. I know it inside and out. You can keep your holier than thou Utard attitude. Whoa, bragging, then humble non-aggression followed by sarcasm, which takes you right back to your bragging. Strong work, bra.
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NC Rock Climber
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May 29, 2013
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The Oven, AKA Phoenix
· Joined Dec 2009
· Points: 60
It looked like Mr Hanky and smelled... just like this thread. For the record, this has got to be a troll. A good one, but still a troll.
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cdec
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May 29, 2013
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SLC, UT
· Joined Jan 2007
· Points: 654
Tug wrote: I'll make you a deal. You stay in Colorado with yer awesome mountains, chronic, and slutty hippy chicks and we'll stick to our towers, PBR, and morman babes that like to marinade and have butt sex. Deal? 3.2 came flying out of my nose when I read that. Bullseye!
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caesar.salad
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May 29, 2013
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earth
· Joined Dec 2012
· Points: 75
All of you are tools. I live in a cave, eat only organic vegetables that I grow in my own garden. I wear only clothes made from naturally-sourced materials that I also grew. I climb using gear that I personally handcrafted from old recycled junked trucks. When I go to Moab, it is entirely on foot.... BARE foot. I use no method of transportation other than that which is human powered. On the rare occasion that I do impede on delicate mother nature, I make a pilgrimage to any clear-cutting area and plant 100 new saplings as pennance. People who drive Priuses pay $100/bottle of my own farts because they know the only way they can even get as close to being as environmentally friendly as me is to inhale my own gas.
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