Told you can't climb because of a photo shoot? How do you respond?
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Greg Berry wrote: Hopefully the video they were shooting will have the phone number for rock and resole edited in. That would be a public service and forgivable.I can't believe no one gave some kudos for this. Cracking me up, nicely played. Jeff Kent wrote: Hey Joe Mills! You certainly know of what you speak. My question: why does someone so talented have to hog a trade route? Oh I agree its lame, its just part of climbing though. I wish people would stop aid-climbing Moonlight, maybe I should start a thread... |
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Woodchuck ATC wrote:I"ve got a fk'd up old computer, a terrible internet connection that won't even play videos, and the first thing somebody can come up with is a porn accusation here? That's just plain shit, offensive and more. Check out your own lifestyle instead of placing accusations against me.Dude, all guys watch porn. Denying it is SOOOO 1997. |
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Woodchuck ATC wrote:I"ve got a fk'd up old computer, a terrible internet connection that won't even play videos, and the first thing somebody can come up with is a porn accusation here? That's just plain shit, offensive and more. Check out your own lifestyle instead of placing accusations against me.And had you just dropped the issue we wouldn't know you as the porn-chuck bandit. How much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck porn? |
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Woodchuck ATC wrote:I"ve got a fk'd up old computer, a terrible internet connection that won't even play videos, and the first thing somebody can come up with is a porn accusation here? That's just plain shit, offensive and more. Check out your own lifestyle instead of placing accusations against me.Oh I'm sorry, I thought most dudes liked surfing porn once in a while. Are you a dude or a chick? Mormon? btw, a slow connection and old PC has nothing to do with a virus "asswipe"(from your own PM) |
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I think I'd tongue punch her fart box then call it a day. |
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Id say im a tax payer and part of that money goes to these parks. Therefore I am entitled to the same use as every other person. |
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Greg D wrote:I only read the op. My immediate response: "That's nice. Now outta my way". Climb that route no matter what. Beside, that punk already effed up one desert tower.What are you even talking about? |
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Hmann2 wrote:Id say im a tax payer and part of that money goes to these parks. Therefore I am entitled to the same use as every other person.Uhhh, plenty of guides and outfitters get exclusive use of public land campgrounds by paying extra money to the land management agency. It would not surprise me if film crews could get similar arrangements. |
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camhead wrote: Uhhh, plenty of guides and outfitters get exclusive use of public land campgrounds by paying extra money to the land management agency. It would not surprise me if film crews could get similar arrangements.Where is this? I know my permits all specifically state that possession of said permit does not entitle me to exclusive use. |
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jmeizis wrote: Where is this? I know my permits all specifically state that possession of said permit does not entitle me to exclusive use.This is probably because your employer just has the regular commercial use permit. I know that, at least on National Forest land (not sure about BLM or National Park), it is possible for outfitters to reserve specific locations to use as base camps for a significantly larger fee. The outfitter I've worked for in South-Central Utah does not pay this fee, but I have seen the paperwork and options for it. |
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I don't have any NF permits but I'm looking over the BLM application that I just got and it does say you can apply to use base and spike camps but doesn't say anything about exclusive use. I haven't gone through all the paperwork though so I guess I'll find out. Will be interested to see if I can get exclusive use or the same 'first come first served' reservations as anyone else. If I can that's kind of shitty even if it would be nice from a guiding perspective. I don't do any camping based services so I've never bothered to look into it. |
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J Q wrote: And had you just dropped the issue we wouldn't know you as the porn-chuck bandit. How much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck porn?OK, OK,,but I'm in a 12 step program to cut down on the hours spent surfing for it...!!!!! |
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My initial thought was that it's somewhat bullshit. I would definitely be frustrated, especially that no warning was given, because I definitely do not always check MP forums before a climb, usually just NOAA for weather and any park sites for closure information. Anyway after reading the more thoughtful posts (and laughing at the less so) I've come to a different perspective. |
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This is an interesting conundrum. I've been the guy being filmed, I've been the guy at the base asking people not to climb because there was a fim being shot and I've placed signs at trailheads asking people to not climb on a given route because there was a filming project. |
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willeslinger wrote:Let's say you're on vacation for three days, you want to do three towers on those days. Then let's say you hike up the Castleton talus cone to do fine jade, but two chicks with radios tell you you can't because some prominent free soloist is getting filmed by a helicopter? How to you respond?Looky what I found. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S-t6HWA4AQ&feature=youtu.be |
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A good film maker has been to the crag, checked out the time of day and the lighting, rehearsed any 'lines' or action needed and then can do the shoot in a couple takes or scenes within an hour or so. That is acceptable behavior. Taking a cliffline or group of routes for half or all of a day is not acceptable in public climbing places. Go pay for a full day at Torrent Falls or something if you want privacy and filming rights for the day. |
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Yeah, that's kinda cool. No, fuck it, that's awesome. In hindsight seeing that go down in person was a cool enough memory to erase the annoyance. |
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Watching someone solo something that far below their level does very little for me no matter how hard the route would be for me. |