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APBT1976
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May 11, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Nov 2011
· Points: 55
Ow yeah Haldol is a ugly word and does not belong in the same conversation as LSD. Haldol is ugly ugly shit imop...
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Buff Johnson
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May 11, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Dec 2005
· Points: 1,145
Take LD50 with a grain of salt.
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Clifton Santiago
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May 11, 2013
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Denver, CO
· Joined Apr 2010
· Points: 0
APBT1976 wrote: However i stand my ground that on more than one occasion i have ingested 75-100 hits of LSD at one time give or take. I think i am ok for the most part? At least grandma, mom, employers and friends and family seem to think so. I clearly have had a few friends whom clearly melted their brains. In those cases though is was mostly due to MDMA abuse and the end result was much that of someone whom smoked a bit too much angle dust. Just a sad situation really resulting in a person with a brain melted to the point the person can barely maintain focus long enough to finish a sentence and clearly struggles to stay in the present. This paragraph suggests otherwise. C'mon bro, no capitalized "I", "angle" dust? Face it holmes, you're fried.
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burlap submariner
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May 11, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Sep 2009
· Points: 170
all spun out in the gunks, all the people around, soloing, bouldering smoking, talking with folks. Such a beautiful experience. Did beginners on whitehorse solo on mushrooms. Just bouldering is amazing on lysergic. Prostrate to an altered state.
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burlap submariner
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May 11, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Sep 2009
· Points: 170
"angle dust" smoking the residue from stacked angles on aid routes. Gets you FUCKED UP.
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burlap submariner
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May 11, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Sep 2009
· Points: 170
Tony, im not sure you grasp the gravity of what happens while on tour.....people get puddled...frequently. And they do come back, safe and sound. More times than not they come back the wiser.
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Tony B
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May 12, 2013
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Around Boulder, CO
· Joined Jan 2001
· Points: 24,655
APBT1976 wrote: I guess it depends what you call damage. Loss of a varying degree of memory, maybe lasting elevated anxiety levels and or some sort of mood disorders maybe. Perma trips, wacked out thoughts and seeing crazy colors maybe in the rare case but i would say that would go for anyone who rolls the dice with even 1 hit of LSD. I am not trying to be a jerk but i am skeptical to take the word of anyone whom tests any drug on someone or something "another creature" other than them self and then says with any amount of conviction one way or the other that they feel they understand the effects of said drug. ... Back to LSD, clearly the stuff can be potent in varying degrees and dangerous. However i stand my ground that on more than one occasion i have ingested 75-100 hits of LSD at one time give or take. I think i am ok for the most part? At least grandma, mom, employers and friends and family seem to think so. I clearly have had a few friends whom clearly melted their brains. In those cases though is was mostly due to MDMA abuse and the end result was much that of someone whom smoked a bit too much angle dust. Just a sad situation really resulting in a person with a brain melted to the point the person can barely maintain focus long enough to finish a sentence and clearly struggles to stay in the present. That's lot to say and it's a little scrambled, but I'll try to address the main points. It's not hard to see cell death... it's real, it's measurable, and you can get data on it. I'm not saying this or that is my data, I'm saying the peer-reviewed scientific studies and articles suggest what the LD-50 is and absent a good lot of data, I'll accept that over someone's un-quantified anecdote of what I believe to be, more or less, an urban legend. That's for starters. Do I believe you did 100 hits and lived? Yep? But some people were are talking about 10-20X THAT amount: Kyle Blase wrote:LSD thumbprints are equivalent to anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand hits. And I also get it when you said Haldol does not belong in the same sentence as LSD. You don't like the idea. Neither do I. But let me run a scenario by you - Discharged Navy seal who, when he can muster the focus to attack, he does. When he can not lay hands on anyone else, he's trying to kill himself. All of this between cycles of "dying" every 6 seconds. The dying every 6 seconds I can deal with... but when he is not dying, he's also thrown his naked self onto the hoods of moving cars and tried to tear them apart, which is how I got called to deal with it. So by the time we get him wrangled, he has sent 3 people to the medics already. He's had a pretty good amount of LSD... 10 hits according to his pals. What would you do? I'd give my vote to put him to sleep. Upon the concurrence of 2 licensed, board certified, practicing psychiatrists, it gets done. Otherwise someone might die. Being restrained and does with anti-psychotics sucks, but I'd choose it over murder or suicide. And that is what happened. burlap submariner wrote:Tony, im not sure you grasp the gravity of what happens while on tour.....people get puddled...frequently. And they do come back, safe and sound. More times than not they come back the wiser. Oh, I might understand a lot more than you think... Metaphocially, not only have I done a few tours, I've been in the band. We call it a "teachable moment" if the results are severe and unintended, and don't call that anything when they are not severe. On 10 hits, sure, people usually do OK in the end. I've walked a lot of people out of that... but 10-200x THAT dose? People are talking about "a few thousand hits" here. Personally, I can't really picture it. I've never encountered someone who claims to have done 120 simultaneous (real, as in 100ug) hits regularly until just now. Nor have I ever encountered anyone in MAPS that claims to have known such a person either. So now, for the first time, I hear of someone who claims to have stories about doing that much and the ritual of it... I would LOVE to sit down and have a conversation about that with you ABPT, but of course, you are anon and over the net... So it's all taken with a thumb-print pile of salt.
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APBT1976
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May 12, 2013
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Nov 2011
· Points: 55
Tony B wrote: That's lot to say and it's a little scrambled, but I'll try to address the main points. It's not hard to see cell death... it's real, it's measurable, and you can get data on it. I'm not saying this or that is my data, I'm saying the peer-reviewed scientific studies and articles suggest what the LD-50 is and absent a good lot of data, I'll accept that over someone's un-quantified anecdote of what I believe to be, more or less, an urban legend. That's for starters. Do I believe you did 100 hits and lived? Yep? But some people were are talking about 10-20X THAT amount: And I also get it when you said Haldol does not belong in the same sentence as LSD. You don't like the idea. Neither do I. But let me run a scenario by you - Discharged Navy seal who, when he can muster the focus to attack, he does. When he can not lay hands on anyone else, he's trying to kill himself. All of this between cycles of "dying" every 6 seconds. The dying every 6 seconds I can deal with... but when he is not dying, he's also thrown his naked self onto the hoods of moving cars and tried to tear them apart, which is how I got called to deal with it. So by the time we get him wrangled, he has sent 3 people to the medics already. He's had a pretty good amount of LSD... 10 hits according to his pals. What would you do? I'd give my vote to put him to sleep. Upon the concurrence of 2 licensed, board certified, practicing psychiatrists, it gets done. Otherwise someone might die. Being restrained and does with anti-psychotics sucks, but I'd choose it over murder or suicide. And that is what happened. Oh, I might understand a lot more than you think... Metaphocially, not only have I done a few tours, I've been in the band. We call it a "teachable moment" if the results are severe and unintended, and don't call that anything when they are not severe. On 10 hits, sure, people usually do OK in the end. I've walked a lot of people out of that... but 10-200x THAT dose? People are talking about "a few thousand hits" here. Personally, I can't really picture it. I've never encountered someone who claims to have done 120 simultaneous (real, as in 100ug) hits regularly until just now. Nor have I ever encountered anyone in MAPS that claims to have known such a person either. So now, for the first time, I hear of someone who claims to have stories about doing that much and the ritual of it... I would LOVE to sit down and have a conversation about that with you ABPT, but of course, you are anon and over the net... So it's all taken with a thumb-print pile of salt. If i am ever in or around Boulder maybe i will look you up. Sure at some point i will be or at least passing through. I get your point with Haldol and i think you get mine. Best,
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Tony B
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May 12, 2013
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Around Boulder, CO
· Joined Jan 2001
· Points: 24,655
APBT1976 wrote: If i am ever in or around Boulder maybe i will look you up. Sure at some point i will be or at least passing through. Please do, I'd be interested in hearing more details. I'm not hard to find around here...
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