Portland v. Seattle?
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Say you're a single 30-ish professional and want to find a new city to move to, and last year discovered an obsession for climbing (mostly sport routes). |
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Having lived in both, neither is optimal for sport climbers. |
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What about trad? I'm just not a huge fan of bouldering except for training indoors, and don't think I have enough time away from work for alphine. |
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Either way you are going to be stuck indoors while it rains outside. At least Portland isn't too far from Smith Rock, where it's often sunny & warm. Just my 2 cents, HTH. |
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Seattle has much more sport climbing just off of I-90 by North Bend ~40m drive. Portland doesn't have close to that. |
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seattle you're like 40 minutes from little si, which is awesome all summer long. Index is an hour north, best granite climbing literally anywhere. For winters you'll have to take up kayaking, the NW is wet. |
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Boston/Cambridge |
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Think about Salt Lake. Plenty of bolts to clip - easy trad to break into. Good weather (except for the inversions in January) and less of an insular, conservative feel than you'd expect. |
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I guess I'll break it down for each city. |
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Man, are you crazy? Rain and sport climbing don't mix! Either of those spots will be soggy as shit, but if I had to choose, it would be Portland. Seattle sucks... traffic is crazy, prices are crazy, it's crowded as hell, and it constantly rains HARD! Portland is slightly better in all categories, and closer to california. |
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Portland is a better city and nicer place to live. Seattle is closer to more good climbing options. Both kind of suck as climbing towns...just too wet (unless you're into the alpinism thing, then Seattle would be a fantastic choice) |
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Caprinae monkey wrote:What about trad? I'm just not a huge fan of bouldering except for training indoors, and don't think I have enough time away from work for alphine. What other cities should I consider? Colorado is my first choice but I'm thinking about alternatives in case that doesn't pan out. Im limited to large cities for the job prospects.If I was looking at washington and roped cragging easily accessible from work was a priority I'd be looking at Spokane. Big-ish city, tons of cragging within a 45 minute drive, low cost of living. It certainly is...rough around the edges...which turns some folks off and the dating scene might not be ideal, but you can sport climb on all kinds of different stone all year (basically) and get out after work to take burns on a project after work. |
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OK cutting the pacific NW out, adding AZ and SLC/Utah to my search! Thanks for the input. Last winter everyone at the Red went to Portrero at the end of the season, and some to Indian Creek UT. |
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If you're an attorney - the legal market here in SLC is pretty rough. We've got two law schools for a mid-sized market AND most of the LDS kids who go away to law school try to get jobs with the firms here. Where'd you go to law school? Having a diploma from a T14 will still get you in most places here. |
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oh yes that is true.... i know a lot of other attorneys who went to school in SLC and I believe there is a network for those associated w/ the latter day saints. |
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Yep - I've got a buddy who practices patent law out here. PM me if you're serious and want contact info. |
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I think either would be quite a bit better than your current location. I'm from Seattle but live in Boston now. When I moved to Boston I thought the weather in New England would be better based on what people on the internet say...which was dumb. I would say the weather is far better for rock climbing in Seattle than New England. Yes, it rains a lot in the city (in winter) itself but 2hrs east is desert. You can climb rock every week from March-November, if not longer Plus there are always a few nice weekends every winter with temps in the 40-50s...Outside of Colorado, Utah, Az and Cali not many places can beat that. If you want a real city that rules out Utah. I wouldn't move to Colorado, I know to many people who have and moved back to the Seattle area. Az and Cali would also be worth looking into. |
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While not climbing related, being a patent attorney in Seattle has got to be a pretty good gig... Considering the vast market of tech/biotech/design companies here, the demand for patent attorneys is probably pretty high. All the previously stated comments are pretty spot on. The Exits stay wet/really cold from late October till about now (I'm finally hoping to get back to one of them this weekend for this first time this year). You definitely can find refuge from the rain/darkness on the East side of Mt. Rainier... Vantage and Tieton River offer winter/spring sunshine and enough climbing to keep you entertained. There's also some great gyms here fwiw. |
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What about Boise? I moved here almost two years ago to increase my climb-time/drive-time ratio, and I've been loving it! |
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Caprinae monkey wrote: I'm a patent attorney which helps with finding jobs.If you're a patent attorney a bunch of firms of hiring in CO. Sheridan Ross, Cooley, and Bryan Cave. In addition, if you troll cobar.org (the employment section) or craigslist for Boulder or Denver, I see a bunch of patent attorney opportunities. Since the patent bar is a national bar, I'm not sure if you'd have to take the CO bar to practice her but, if you did, it's the UBE now which gets you into most of the western states. From, Another attorney who should try and get into the patent bar. |
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This is a pretty good article where, ahem, my hometown got número uno. It took into account quite a few factors which seem to be what you're looking for. First, of course, climbing. Tucson has the Catalina highway on the edge of town which goes up to the top of Mt Lemmon at an elevation of about 9100'. This means that when our nice mild winters set in you climb amongst the saguaros, and when it's hot as balls in the summer, you just drive up the mountain, lose 20-30 degrees and climb in the pines. On Lemmon there's roughly 2000 routes, most being sport. There's also the beautiful and stunning Cochise stronghold, which happens to host Beanfest twice a year. We have two gyms here, rocks and ropes, which is a staple, with pretty much everything you'd need, and the Bloc which is a bouldering specific gym. Except for monsoon season and a few hours a day in the winter, it doesn't rain here, so there's little reason to be in the gym unless you only have an hour or two to climb. The article also looked at unemployment and cost of living. Even though you see the name Boulder absolutely everywhere on MP, it costs quite a bit to live there, and you have to compete as an attorney in a town that attracts lots of attorneys. Granted, the climbing is better, but unless you're climbing to support yourself, career tends to come first. |