35 years of putting up slab routes and hard ones at that. Pretty sure I have only ever put up 3 or 4 that were 5.12. These kids that are showing up are doing amazing things Paul. The amazing kids are starting to show up from the gym and this kid might be one. He has a 13c ticked. Not sure if he redpointed it but I assume he did. Either way its cool he is even on a slab.