To the person who took my red rope from pie shop S.Lake Tahoe!!!!

Im disapointed in people around here!Somebody took a red rope (fixed line) off the left side of the pie shop with my binner. (blue tape) If it is NOT YOURS dont touch it! I went out to rope solo and its gone. Im giving a chance to return them to me 530-314-3622. Im new to s.lake and never had a line stolen on me before in many yrs of climbing around the country! If you didnt know that was bad form then ok, but you should learn ethics! If you have no intentions of returning stolen goods,MAY KARMA FIND you! maybe someday someone can return the favor of sealing your gear!

A very disapointed Tom

Tom , just curious ... Was the rope left up over multiple days / weeks ? Just overnight?

If it was left fixed for a long period of time ... In a very visible manner , perhaps someone is sending a message that leaving your gear on the crag is unacceptable ?

I dunno... You didnt say which route it was on , or too many other details ...

Bummer about loosing gear though ... Ropes ain't cheap

A very lazy Tom,

Don't leave your crap hanging!!!

Edited for Ben Chapstick's amusment: (However=Whoever) took the rope did the right thing since you're too lazy to be bothered...

I would never leave my $100+ gear laying outside because I don't trust you. Sucks this happened but maybe its what it takes for you to learn that.

Sounds like you got the message loud and clear. Any questions?

I usually throw those sort of ropes away when I clean the cliffs (I don't know where they've been). You should start checking garbage bins, Broseph.

slk....("however??") that was really the LOW road to take. It's NEVER okay to take someone else's gear, regardless of the circumstance. Just take it down, if it bothers you, and leave it at the trailhead or near the base. Tom....the question remains regarding the duration of your rope's tenure on the climb? Not cool, if it was more then a day or two, but as stated previously, it's never appropriate to take someone else's gear. Hope you get it back. You might not be the only one losing "karma points!"

it's never cool to leave your stuff laying around and not expect some one to take it down

"Edited for Ben Chapstick's amusment: (However=Whoever) took the rope did the right thing since you're too lazy to be bothered..."

I meant whoever took the rope down, easy big guy. If you are calling me thief then a pox on you and your family! ;)

Really though, it's not necessary to leave up a fixed line at the Pie Shop.

Another thread about this?! Wow! Tom, bad call on leaving your gear out. That sucks!

Probably not the response he was expecting to get lol.

Consider it an expensive lesson.

Name one other outdoor recreational activity where it has been deemed "OK" or "ethically proper" to leave gear unattended on public lands for more than a few hours, for no reason other than you're too lazy to take it down.

Jeremy Monahan wrote:Name one other outdoor recreational activity where it has been deemed "OK" or "ethically proper" to leave gear unattended on public lands for more than a few hours, for no reason other than you're too lazy to take it down.

Camping?

EricSchmidt wrote: Camping?

Yes. Some use this as an apples to apples comparison to justify leaving fixed ropes. That's just plain stupid. A rope is not a temporary shelter.

Greg D wrote: Yes. Some use this as an apples to apples comparison to justify leaving fixed ropes. That's just plain stupid. A rope is not a temporary shelter.

Quit being dramatic, I am not trying to justify anything. He asked for one example of another outdoor recreation activity where its okay to leave gear behind.

Don't read into everything so much and stop being so sensitive sally!

Could jave just been a common thief. The only time i had some gear stolen was up in Tahoe. We went around a corner to run up a line and forgot that we left our zip line around the corner. When we came back a short while later, we didn't see it lying around but saw a group of four other climbers leaving. We asked if they saw it. They said that another well known area climber had picked it up and taken it back to his shop. When we contacted the climber we found out the gang of four had stolen our rope and fingered the other climber. Bad, bad karma that.

EricSchmidt wrote: Camping?

Yes leaving a tent is justified, but I agree with Greg D that leaving a tent up is a valid reason because it is a shelter, a basic necessity to survive. Leaving a rope on a climb is not a necessity for survival. When you are camping, you leave a tent up to keep your gear dry, not because you are too lazy to take it down. Try again.

Other outdoor activities where it is deemed ok to leave gear temporarily include mountaineering, camping, ice fishing, and hunting.

If necessity is somehow an issue (and I don't see how it is), a rope is a lot more necessary to survival than a run-of-the-mill camping tent.

It's that same stupid argument every time, whether it's a rope or draws. The ethical question worth pondering isn't is it ethical to leave a rope or draws, but is it ethical to take something that isn't yours. Most of us learned that one by the time we were in kindergarten, but I guess there will always be slow learners. Unless you happen to be a cop or ranger, in which case you might have been vested with the authority to do so.

PRRose wrote:Other outdoor activities where it is deemed ok to leave gear temporarily include mountaineering, camping, ice fishing, and hunting.

hahaha there ya go Jeremy Monohand, more examples. I would also say boating is another example where you leave a boat and go do the shuttle. Nice attempt at making a point though....

And 99/100 a tent left up is not a necessity of survival... Mainly just convenience because they don't feel like taking it down while they are out day hiking. NEXT, TRY AGAIN!

PRRose wrote:Other outdoor activities where it is deemed ok to leave gear temporarily include mountaineering, camping, ice fishing, and hunting.

I gather that most, if not all of the gear you would be leaving unattended would be along the lines of shelter or survival equipment (tents, bivy sacks, ice huts, etc.) Fixed ropes on a mountaineering route or ice climb are an ethical gray area, with climbers firmly on both sides. However, once these items are fixed, they are generally considered communal property, essentially abandoned gear. Of course there are no rules stating this, only loose ethics that can vary from place to place. IMHO, what the OP did was not fix a rope to leave it for the community, rather his own selfish pursuits. Abandoning gear overnight is always a risk, and most of the time you might be safe. But assuming or expecting that your gear will still be in place when you return is irresponsible, and kind of silly. This also goes for quickdraws on a route, although those leprechaun draw thieves are just soulless wastes of space.

Jeremy Monahan wrote: I gather that most, if not all of the gear you would be leaving unattended would be along the lines of shelter or survival equipment (tents, bivy sacks, ice huts, etc.)

You would gather wrong.... Just give it up man, you don't have a point, there are plenty of other outdoor recreation activities where gear gets left unattended. Trying to pretend like climbing is the only one is very inaccurate.

However I do agree he should not have expected his rope to still be there.