Releasable hitch or way to retrieve rope?
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Check a canyoning forum for tips and instructions like this exact problem. |
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Aaron Conway wrote: P.S. The man that died was 74 with a 61 year old wife incapable of helping. I'm 21 and very fit and so are all my friends. We won't attempt it without being safe of course though. That's why I'm here.Yeah, if you've never practiced vertical rescue it's almost next to impossible to pull off if not impossible if you don't have the tools to do so, sometimes it's not even possible when you have the tools. I don't care how young or fit you are. What if you have rappelled already and they are now stuck and unconscious. Think how you would ascend a rope, lock yourself off, get the individual off the rope and down to the ground without dropping them. What if they rappel first? Do you have a second rope to descend next to them, lock off, get them off their rope, onto yours, and the skill to descend with an unconscious person now on your rope? What if you don't have a second rope, do you know how to descend a weighted rope? I'm not being a dick, I'm pointing out very real issues and difficulties that you may not have thought of. |
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Yer gonna die. |
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Aaron Conway wrote:Thank you very much for all the reply's. Yes I am doing subway and yes I have rappelling experience. My father was force recon and taught me how to rappel so that's not a problem. I think I should clarify my question. I will not be "rappelling". I won't be wearing a harness or hook into any device. I intend on down climbing all of it. Good or bad idea? I was wondering if there is a knot that I could tie that would be safer than the current setup I have. Here's the plan and let me know if it seems safe, especially the people that have already done the subway. Your input is extra valuable. I was going to get to the middle of my 75ft rope, tie a slip, run a bite of one strand through the carabiner attached to the bolt and back through my slipknot. Then stick a carabiner on the bite so it can't go through the slip knot just in case. Then i'll be the last down and i'll unhook the biner, downclimb and pull it all loose with the other strand. I've used this method before and it seems to work great. Other recommendations? Should I be using full gear? I just didn't want to carry all that. Also, I apologize if this is posted in the wrong place. P.S. The man that died was 74 with a 61 year old wife incapable of helping. I'm 21 and very fit and so are all my friends. We won't attempt it without being safe of course though. That's why I'm here.troll |
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Aaron Conway wrote:Thank you very much for all the reply's. Yes I am doing subway and yes I have rappelling experience. My father was force recon and taught me how to rappel so that's not a problem. I think I should clarify my question. I will not be "rappelling". I won't be wearing a harness or hook into any device. I intend on down climbing all of it. Good or bad idea? I was wondering if there is a knot that I could tie that would be safer than the current setup I have. Here's the plan and let me know if it seems safe, especially the people that have already done the subway. Your input is extra valuable. I was going to get to the middle of my 75ft rope, tie a slip, run a bite of one strand through the carabiner attached to the bolt and back through my slipknot. Then stick a carabiner on the bite so it can't go through the slip knot just in case. Then i'll be the last down and i'll unhook the biner, downclimb and pull it all loose with the other strand. I've used this method before and it seems to work great. Other recommendations? Should I be using full gear? I just didn't want to carry all that. Also, I apologize if this is posted in the wrong place. P.S. The man that died was 74 with a 61 year old wife incapable of helping. I'm 21 and very fit and so are all my friends. We won't attempt it without being safe of course though. That's why I'm here.Yikes. Some folks double the rope and just hand line down it. Others pack a harness and rappel device. Between you and your "very fit" friends, I'm sure you could tolerate an extra harness in someone's pack, or, learn how to make a simple one out of a length of 1" webbing. Gobs of folks slip and blow a knee, ankle, etc, and need SAR in the Subway. Carrying one harness (with a biner/rap device) amongst a bunch of fit friends with a short 75' rope will be better as a precaution. Here's a few trips that went wrong (not updated for a few years): canyoneeringusa.com/subway-… |
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Just do the raps....Subway isn't a place you want to get hurt. |
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Thanks for the help guys. I know I'm new but please don't just assume I'm an idiot and irresponsible. I've decided to bring gear specifically for the last repel since numerous people have said it's not as easy as it seems and the consequences of messing up there are too large. |
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90% of climbing accidents happen on rappell...just saying...you should buy the most expensive locker (preferably made in France) , double those, rap off then pm me teh exact location of the station... |
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Or better yet build a small bush around it and mark it "snake" |