Quiet hrs in the High Peaks?!
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Gunkiemike wrote: I think you're supposed to be 6 ft off the trail when you pee into the Ziploc bag.I thought you were supposed to pee on your hiking partners to stay warm? timesunion.com/local/articl… ^^Perfect example of why we need regulations - this was their "best thinking". |
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Wow |
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my experience is the post holing n00bs never make it much farther than a mile so who really cares? I have personally never had a problem with people walking all over my ski trails. Dog shit is another thing. All trailheads are a mess and cops should spend their time doing real work like busting dopers in the lots, no wait... |
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You make me laugh TR! |
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Kirby1013 wrote:You make me laugh TR! That makes me wonder if this is a problem in other areas like out west. Anyone know?It's been a problem as long as I can remember (40+ years) in the White Mountains of NH. Read any of the hiker centric boards and you will see never ending rants from both sides. Of course in the "Live Free or Die" state there aren't any legal issues. What is interesting is that any of this is actually news to anyone - should be common knowledge to anyone with any outdoors experience in the Northeast. Several of the folks upstream claim to be experienced but their lack of knowledge and understanding says otherwise. Oh well - I guess it's something each generation needs to relearn - just like being considerate to others and that it's not always "me, me, me"... |
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Post-holeing XC ski tracks will stop at the same time that people use their turn signals when changing lanes. |
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I figured it's a problem in New Hampshire. The Whites are just as close to the big cities as the Daks. |
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Post holing on ski/snow shoe trails suck. Relentless, ubiquitous law after law after law sucks worse. I've lived in NM, CO, PA, and NY. |
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Merlin wrote:Post holing on ski/snow shoe trails suck. Relentless, ubiquitous law after law after law sucks worse. I've lived in NM, CO, PA, and NY. NY is easily the most taxed, regulated, repressive state I've ever been in. If you ever get out west try RMNP, Zion, some BLM in Utah, etc. then go back and try not hating the DEC.It's easy to agree with your sentiment (which I do), but it's not a valid comparison. There's so much more public land of many jurisdictions out west, and generally fewer people. It's why I live in California. We, too, are over-regulated and charged excessive use fees if you stay in the heavily used popular sites. But it's so easy to find practically abandoned federal land, even close to large population centers. |
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No use fees in the Adirondacks. Unless of course you count actually paying a PARKING fee when parking on private land at Adk Loj or the Garden (which is easy to get around for anyone in the know). |
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Yeah I've never camped before...pretty inexperienced |
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Wanna take me camping? ;) |
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Max, Yes I have. We do seem to be the minority here. I'm also seem to be the only decent human who owns a sled that yields to XC skiers. I wonder how long we could argue over who should have the right of way, sleds or skiers? Guess that's only a problem in Maine though. |
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Ben, that's cute but I wasn't asking about your camping experience. I asked specifically about your age and how many days you estimate you've spent in the High Peaks in full winter conditions. Your response is the sort of thing I would expect from a spoiled brat who just got shut down by logical argument. |
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I thought of something else as I was napping these last couple hours. (climbing and the flu don't mix) I wonder how many people on here have XC skied before. |
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Probably because most people think of XC skiing as cruising dead-flat groomed two-track for cardio. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's a challenge of form and technique and fitness. But it's not really exciting. |
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TWK wrote: It's easy to agree with your sentiment (which I do), but it's not a valid comparison. There's so much more public land of many jurisdictions out west, and generally fewer people. It's why I live in California. We, too, are over-regulated and charged excessive use fees if you stay in the heavily used popular sites. But it's so easy to find practically abandoned federal land, even close to large population centers.I get that massive population differences as well, still, it was a serious shock to the system. |
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I can hike in 6 miles from the car, which is parked by itself 40 miles from 14 million people, to a ridgetop, from which I can see hundreds of thousands of acres without another human around. Only elk, coyotes, deer, rabbits, quail, and golden eagles. Oh yeah, and rattlesnakes. |
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Ben Brotelho wrote:Most people aren't this dumb, and it is a shame that freak incidents like this one and the idiots getting 'stuck' on the trap dike result in over regulation for people like us who don't have our heads up our asses (well, most of us at least.)Based on the increasing frequency of incidents, I'd argue your numbers. There's several epic idiot adventures logged each year, and then there's the incidents where people barely get out of their own stupidity that we either never hear about (out of shame) or read about on a forum trip report (usually in a defensive posture). |
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I have seen two parties epic on the Dike that never made it around the internet - one this year, and one last. Both were clearly ready for a multi-pitch WI2+ climb. Just not one with questionable (if any) protection, 2000' long, and 6 miles from the car. |