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frankstoneline · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2009 · Points: 30
bearbreeder wrote: no one is saying its the "best" but the statement "vibram is junk" that you made simply isnt true ... many climbers who use it over and over again on the hardest and and climbs where you cant make mistakes show it ... just because YOU dont prefer it doesnt mean its "junk" theres a certain big wall soloer out there .... can you guess what rubber he depends on not to pop off and die when hes thousands of feet off the deck ;)
right, so then let me amend my statement so as to not offend.

In my experience, using the La Sportiva Solution performance climbing shoe in a variety of granite applications, both sport climbing and bouldering, with both C4 stealth soles and the Vibram soles they came with out of the box, I found the performance of the C4 sole to be far superior to that of the original sole. Being that La Sportiva produces high quality shoes, I doubt this shift in performance was due to the original sole installation quality, though the re-sole job by by Rock and Resole of boulder was of the highest quality. In addition, I have had similar experiences with several other pairs of La Sportiva shoes as well as several pairs of Scarpa shoes (which also emplot the rubber of Vibram), thus, in my humble opinion, the original poster of this thread should have his La Sportiva Solution performance climbing boot re-soled with C4 stealth climbing rubber, rather than any of the Vibram options for full value granite use. This may also be projected to various other granite-like rocks, and in fact my recommendation would hold true for all stone types.

I did not, literally, mean that rubber produced by the great Vibram rubber corporation is refuse and should be relegated to waste disposal facilities the world over, however apparently my intentions were lost in the inability of some internet members to interpret true meaning from general statements. Apparently brevity isn't valued by everyone.

My sincerest apologies to the Vibram rubber smelting conglomerate for any confusion, and I hope they drop the lawsuit against me for slander ASAP so as to avoid unnecessary legal costs.
bearbreeder · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2009 · Points: 3,065
frankstoneline wrote: I did not, literally, mean that rubber produced by the great Vibram rubber corporation is refuse and should be relegated to waste disposal facilities the world over, however apparently my intentions were lost in the inability of some internet members to interpret true meaning from general statements. Apparently brevity isn't valued by everyone. My sincerest apologies to the Vibram rubber smelting conglomerate for any confusion, and I hope they drop the lawsuit against me for slander ASAP so as to avoid unnecessary legal costs.
"vibram is junk"

it was pretty easy to interpret your true meaning

im personally not a fan of the c4 rubber .... but then i dont go saying "c4 is junk" ;)

its the man that make the difference, the rubber is a matter of personal preference ...

thats whuddah she said anyways =P
frankstoneline · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2009 · Points: 30
bearbreeder wrote: its the man that make the difference, the rubber is a matter of personal preference ... thats whuddah she said anyways =P
amen to that.

my true meaning was most certainly simply that I like the c4 better, but there is really no need to continue to argue over semantics haha
Mark E Dixon · · Possunt, nec posse videntur · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 974
frankstoneline wrote: right, so then let me amend my statement so as to not offend. In my experience, using the La Sportiva Solution performance climbing shoe in a variety of granite applications, both sport climbing and bouldering, with both C4 stealth soles and the Vibram soles they came with out of the box, I found the performance of the C4 sole to be far superior to that of the original sole. Being that La Sportiva produces high quality shoes, I doubt this shift in performance was due to the original sole installation quality, though the re-sole job by by Rock and Resole of boulder was of the highest quality. In addition, I have had similar experiences with several other pairs of La Sportiva shoes as well as several pairs of Scarpa shoes (which also emplot the rubber of Vibram), thus, in my humble opinion, the original poster of this thread should have his La Sportiva Solution performance climbing boot re-soled with C4 stealth climbing rubber, rather than any of the Vibram options for full value granite use. This may also be projected to various other granite-like rocks, and in fact my recommendation would hold true for all stone types. I did not, literally, mean that rubber produced by the great Vibram rubber corporation is refuse and should be relegated to waste disposal facilities the world over, however apparently my intentions were lost in the inability of some internet members to interpret true meaning from general statements. Apparently brevity isn't valued by everyone. My sincerest apologies to the Vibram rubber smelting conglomerate for any confusion, and I hope they drop the lawsuit against me for slander ASAP so as to avoid unnecessary legal costs.
I thought this was pretty funny.

You're not THE Mr Stone are you?
Go Back to Super Topo · · Lex · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 285

old topic new thread same old shit...

personally vibram, c4, stealth, tax, and any other rubber put on shoes made by respectable companies is all relative and shouldnt be the reason you climb any letter or number grade harder, if it is it is more mental than the rubber in my opinion

I for one have never had a foot slip and immediately think "damn I know i would have sent if i had ________ rubber instead of _________ rubber" ......no most the time i fall and/or my foot slips (which does not happen often because climbing shoe rubber is a thing of miracle and none of the rubbers that I have used have ever just slipped off any type of rock often) i think "f*** that was a bad foot" or "sh*t that move was hard as balls"

frankstoneline · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Apr 2009 · Points: 30
Mark E Dixon wrote: I thought this was pretty funny. You're not THE Mr Stone are you?
no sir, not THE Mr. Stone.
Marc H · · Longmont, CO · Joined May 2007 · Points: 265

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Mark E Dixon · · Possunt, nec posse videntur · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 974
frankstoneline wrote: no sir, not THE Mr. Stone.
Probably really lucky for you!
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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