Fuck yeah amendment 64

Mike G wrote:Keep smoking society need guys riding the backs of the garbage trucks

flame

failed attempt i might add.

just bc you were a lazy stoner in high school who had to ride the back of a truck for a few years doesnt mean you need to take your anger out on us.

i smoke every day and ill.never ride a garbage truck

Yeah, go do something more useful to society ya talented, reefer-chief'n bastage

chufftard wrote:What is up with the drugged driving limits? Are we talking a bowl to put you over or a cheech size blunt?

If you can feel it at all, or recently could, then you are over.

Smoking weed in Colorado is not going to be legal. Why? Colorado does not actually have the authority to say it is legal. See, the federal goverment has enacted federal laws against smoking weed which makes it illegal on every square inch of American soil. Colorado can choose to lift their state law against it, and Colorado police officers can choose not to arrest individuals for position, but that does not mean it is legal. The feds can still slam you for position if they wanted to, and you can bet that the DEA will likely still be doing drug running busts if they occur in Colorado, regardless of Colorado's new state law. The big question is whether Obama is going to let Colorado undermine his authority or whether he is going to slam them with the federal hammer of limitless power. Who knows, maybe Obama will declare martial law in Colorado to control all the runaway murderous pot smoking felons and corrupt non-pot-law-enforcing cops and I will get an all expenses paid trip to the Rocky Mountains!

20 kN wrote:Smoking weed in Colorado is not going to be legal.

Right just like Arizona had no chance of taking control of all of the Federal lands in the state, even if Prop 120 would have passed.

The times they are a changing tho. At least this is a step in the right direction, in my opinion. It will be interesting to see what the Feds do. At some point we'll likely have enough support to change the law at the federal level. Of course that won't make it legal everywhere, states could still maintain laws, just like booze.

The driving side of things could get ugly. I mean if they wanted to law makers could say that if you fail a field sobriety test, they can take your piss. Any one who smokes would almost always fail.

There are however oral test that are geared more toward recent use.

In the end if you drive impaired you risk serious fines these days. It won't matter what your on when you get pulled over. And just like alcohol you can enjoy a little at the beginning of the party just make sure to lay off everything for several hours before driving. Or have a designated driver.

20 kN wrote:Smoking weed in Colorado is not going to be legal. Why? Colorado does not actually have the authority to say it is legal. See, the federal goverment has enacted federal laws against smoking weed which makes it illegal on every square inch of American soil. Colorado can choose to lift their state law against it, and Colorado police officers can choose not to arrest individuals for position, but that does not mean it is legal. The feds can still slam you for position if they wanted to, and you can bet that the DEA will likely still be doing drug running busts if they occur in Colorado, regardless of Colorado's new state law. The big question is whether Obama is going to let Colorado undermine his authority or whether he is going to slam them with the federal hammer of limitless power. Who knows, maybe Obama will declare martial law in Colorado to control all the runaway murderous pot smoking felons and corrupt non-pot-law-enforcing cops and I will get an all expenses paid trip to the Rocky Mountains!

4 pages before this was finally said.
A few additional thoughts:

• The Feds will never allow pot shops (non MMJ) to open
• The IRS still will bring the hammer on any business involved, including the medicinal outlets. They can't find banks to business with.
• Hickenlooper more or less said he has no idea how to deal with this law considering the Federal authority, and such sure as hell WILL NOT be a champion for the cause when the court challenges arise. Just watch, he will be spineless and seek out some bullshit compromise like de-criminalizing; which totally negates the whole regulate like alcohol idea.

Of course Romney was sure as fuck not going to step aside on this; but all you Democrats out there need to understand that with all that Federal government you keep voting for comes Federal authority as well. You cannot keep asking the government to do shit for you and not expect there to be a flip side of that coin; which is increased enforcement and reduced personal freedom.

The good news here is that this is a strong message that the states want a return of their rights, (via the voice/vote of the people not the sniveling little bitches we elect to represent us). Elections do have consequences. The era of old school conservatism is now over, an era of Progressivism is underway; but at the same time we are seeing the initial stages of the rise of Libertarianism. This was a Libertarian issue the whole time after all. I would urge all of you who are not total Progressive idealogues to consider participating with this emerging movement. I did. We need to have a new 2nd party anyway.
Edit to add: this is not a rant against Progressives, I much prefer them over what the old school GOP represented. I'm pretty sure Obama has no personal ill will against this, it is just that he is bound by oath to uphold the law as it stands. Of course I'm sure they will recognize this little ember of a states-rights movement and may decide to crush it quickly, time will tell.

I think these measures in colorado and washington are going to be the motivation behind some powerful social unrest in this country. States want power over health and welfare issues as is their right under the constitution!

I really hope the dea will heed to these state rights and leave these businesses alone, but sadly its probably not going to happen.

If everyone could just sit around a fire and pass a peace pipe i'm sure all levels of government could learn to just chill out, man

From what I've heard, feds have only been raiding operations that break state law. I see no reason why legal operations will have any trouble, unless the DEA decides to start enforcing federal law.

that's incorrect...enforcing federal law is the DEA's sole responsibility.

Mike Lane wrote: I'm pretty sure Obama has no personal ill will against this, it is just that he is bound by oath to uphold the law as it stands.

Good post until that statement. Obama and his cabinet have no interest in the constitution other than obliterating it.

I don't smoke and don't really feel one way or the other about those who do (although I do hope people don't drive impaired - from any substance). I do think the medical MMJ was a huge joke (it is amazing how many 20-something's have medical issues requiring scripts, poor guys...) and am glad to see a more honest measure in place. People using for recreation - call it what it is. Control it and tax it like alcohol and stop spending so much money in the criminal justice system.

My concern is the marketing and the way shops set up - the sign spinners drive me crazy (personal pet peeve). Pharmacies (again, what a joke) and liquor stores don't find it necessary to clog up the sidewalks and street corners with this kind of advertising - maybe this measure will normalize it enough that it can be treated like any other business. Agree with Mike Lane about the challenges that are going to take place in terms of banking, etc for the business owners. Medical MMJ businesses have already had issues getting small business loans and banking due to the federal laws. It's not a simple issue.

There was a great story on NPR yesterday about what the impact would be if MMJ was legalized federally - mainly how hard it would hit the Mexican drug cartels. That would be a good thing, yes?

Lynn S wrote:I work in the rehab business, if any of you stoners want a bed saved at the facility I work at just let me know.

How many people are in rehab due to alcohal?

ErikaNW wrote: There was a great story on NPR yesterday about what the impact would be if MMJ was legalized federally - mainly how hard it would hit the Mexican drug cartels. That would be a good thing, yes?

The effects would only in proportion to how much of it is M-MJ as opposed to R-MJ. The black market would still exist.

ErikaNW wrote:I don't smoke and don't really feel one way or the other about those who do (although I do hope people don't drive impaired - from any substance). I do think the medical MMJ was a huge joke (it is amazing how many 20-something's have medical issues requiring scripts, poor guys...) and am glad to see a more honest measure in place.

I've heard that in Colorado at least, the average age of someone with an MMJ card is 40-something. Can anyone verify this?

Mike Lane wrote: 4 pages before this was finally said. A few additional thoughts: *The Feds will never allow pot shops (non MMJ) to open *The IRS still will bring the hammer on any business involved, including the medicinal outlets. They can't find banks to business with. *Hickenlooper more or less said he has no idea how to deal with this law considering the Federal authority, and such sure as hell WILL NOT be a champion for the cause when the court challenges arise. Just watch, he will be spineless and seek out some bullshit compromise like de-criminalizing; which totally negates the whole regulate like alcohol idea. Of course Romney was sure as fuck not going to step aside on this; but all you Democrats out there need to understand that with all that Federal government you keep voting for comes Federal authority as well. You cannot keep asking the government to do shit for you and not expect there to be a flip side of that coin; which is increased enforcement and reduced personal freedom. The good news here is that this is a strong message that the states want a return of their rights, (via the voice/vote of the people not the sniveling little bitches we elect to represent us). Elections do have consequences. The era of old school conservatism is now over, an era of Progressivism is underway; but at the same time we are seeing the initial stages of the rise of Libertarianism. This was a Libertarian issue the whole time after all. I would urge all of you who are not total Progressive idealogues to consider participating with this emerging movement. I did. We need to have a new 2nd party anyway. Edit to add: this is not a rant against Progressives, I much prefer them over what the old school GOP represented. I'm pretty sure Obama has no personal ill will against this, it is just that he is bound by oath to uphold the law as it stands. Of course I'm sure they will recognize this little ember of a states-rights movement and may decide to crush it quickly, time will tell.

Don't forget, the amendment also allows for individuals to grow their own plants. Imagine the resources it would take to prosecute thousands of Coloradoans growing their own plants...

It should be interesting to see how this all plays out for sure.

Thanks for the correction Tony! I have gotten used to MMJ terminology - shows how much (little?) I actually know about marijuana!

Not sure what the stats say about average age of card holders in Colorado - just observing the crowds that attend the Friday Happy Hour (yes they have this at the dispensary near my office....) where they have music and give away t-shirts and basically have a party on the sidewalk. Very 'medical' lol - maybe smoking keeps them all looking really young! Like I said, be honest and call it what it is. BTW, I do agree that medical marijuana is a godsend for those who need it, and those people are definitely out there - not wanting to imply in anyway that it is solely recreational.

clay meier wrote: How many people are in rehab due to alcohal?

Today, where I work, the number of guys calling pot their "drug of choice" is the same as the number of guys saying their DOC is alcohol. The majority of the other clients would identify other substances as their DOC.

In a month that could shift one way or the other.

A drug is a drug...its only a symptom of a bigger problem within. Acquiring coping and life skills through either steps and higher power or whatever floats your boat. A drug is a drug!

some intelligence from NY Times:

nytimes.com/video/2012/11/0…

Lynn S wrote:@john- yeah I only work with with addicts so your probably right that I don't know what I'm talking about.

You are being sarcastic, but are actually saying something completely and seriously true. You only work with addicts. Therefore, you have zero experience with anyone who has smoked weed and NOT moved on to harder drugs. Your sample is skewed.