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Eldo - Genesis - Fixed Rope

NickinCO · · colorado · Joined Sep 2010 · Points: 155
Colonel Mustard wrote: Usually if you don't leave your crap laying around unattended, it goes home with you.
GEE THANKS!
Colonel Mustard · · Sacramento, CA · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 1,241
NickinCO wrote: GEE THANKS!
Yeah, seems obvious doesn't it? But then you read this thread....
Dale Evans · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2012 · Points: 5

I can't wait till some of you folks are on a multi pitch and I get to clean up the garbage you abandoned at the base of the climb, while you are up there. Like your lunch,backpack,approach shoes,extra water,etc.

Colonel Mustard · · Sacramento, CA · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 1,241
Dale Evans wrote:I can't wait till some of you folks are on a multi pitch and I get to clean up the garbage you abandoned at the base of the climb, while you are up there. Like your lunch,backpack,approach shoes,extra water,etc.
Not even the same ballpark, but keep swinging.
Dale Evans · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2012 · Points: 5

Sure it is.

Colonel Mustard · · Sacramento, CA · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 1,241
Dale Evans wrote:Sure it is.
If you believe that, you'll love this new moisturizer I'm selling. The dispenser is shaped exactly like my dick.
Mark E Dixon · · Possunt, nec posse videntur · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 974
Brad White wrote: Mark Dixon, you made one of the comments that surprises me. I don't gang tope-rope anything. Typically, when I am out with the Soloist I get to Eldo extremely early, set my rope up on something accessible, and try not to hog the route too much. I usually finish early, and have been doing this off and on for almost 25 years in Eldo. I've never been told that I was out of line for this practice. When you insinuate that somehow I deserved to have any anchor that I was actively using removed and stolen is pretty shocking. Oh well, I guess our community is changing.
Hey Brad, I was actually trying (obviously unsuccessfully) to poke fun at myself. I used to hate it when a bunch of top ropers monopolized some route I wanted to climb at the Gunks. Got livid and foamed at the mouth quite a lot. Sounds like you are more considerate than I found them to be. Hopefully I've matured a bit too, even if it isn't apparent.
If someone was occupying a route in Eldo, I'd just choose something else, no big deal.

Anyway, I thought I made it clear in a later post that you should get your gear back. I still believe in 'booty', but would just as soon give back anything I clean as keep it. Messing with other people's gear is not cool. Stripping an anchor is unconscionable.
As for things changing, probably true. There are a lot of people in the front range with a little knowledge of climbing (enough to filch gear anyway) but who aren't passionate about it and don't care about other climbers. Lots of really dedicated, civic minded folks too. Sorry your path had to cross with some jerks.
Mark
Russell Holcomb · · Boulder, Colorado · Joined Nov 2007 · Points: 15

Ha ha ha, this thread is a hoot! I swear if people had to log in to MP with their real names it would eliminate about 99% of this flaming. Only the true nuts who are willing to meet face to face and duke it out over their beliefs would post flame. Take a look at what you've posted and think about what you might say or not say if you had to log in under your real name and you'll know if you belong in the Internet Coward Club.

EJ is a living legend in Eldo. I defy you to find anyone that's logged more miles and done more routes there. Also a great guy and someone you definitely want to be in the vicinity if you ever need a rescue. EJ is the kind of guy that if he comes across an old lady pinned by a car he just picks the damn car up and moves it. He could damn sure carry your fat broken legged ass out of Eldo if needed. If you don't know that you're not dialed in enough to this environment to be able to make judgements. As far as I'm concerned EJ can leave ropes hanging like tinsel on a Christmas tree all over Eldo if he wants.

Dale Evans · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2012 · Points: 5
Colonel Mustard wrote: If you believe that, you'll love this new moisturizer I'm selling. The dispenser is shaped exactly like my dick.
No difference.
Something left unattended, outdoors on public land by a climber who intends to return and retrieve it, fully expecting it to be there when he returns, which is then stolen by another climber.

No use for a miniaturized dispenser.
Guy Kenny Jr · · Boulder, CO · Joined Nov 2008 · Points: 10

Although I do not agree with leaving fixed lines in Eldo, I do think EDj should get his gear back. I also think Dale Evans is either a young lad or just not very intelligent if he truely thinks there is no difference between the 2 acts.

Prod.

Colonel Mustard · · Sacramento, CA · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 1,241
Dale Evans wrote: No difference. Something left unattended, outdoors on public land by a climber who intends to return and retrieve it, fully expecting it to be there when he returns, which is then stolen by another climber. No use for a miniaturized dispenser.
Thanks for elucidating your thinking, but nope. Wrong ballpark. Please keep trying to come up with a valid argument though.
Dale Evans · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2012 · Points: 5

Both acts involve taking something that is not yours.
Why is the theft of the rope more acceptable than the theft of the backpack?

Colonel Mustard · · Sacramento, CA · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 1,241
Dale Evans wrote:Both acts involve taking something that is not yours. Why the theft of the rope more acceptable than the theft of the backpack?
If you leave your backpack out indefinitely like trash too, then there's no difference there either. Leaving your crap lying around in a wilderness area for extended lengths of time makes the area and climbers look like shit.

Do I believe there are caveats for development? Sure. But erring on the side of minimum eyesore is probably wisest, as is stashing your development gear where it can't be seen/stolen by the riff-raff.

If you want to leave your stuff lying around to test the honor system amongst the lowest common denominator out there, it's your rope/backpack, not mine. And then you can pathetically argue ethics online while somebody else plays with your gear.
Dale Evans · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2012 · Points: 5

So the length of time is what makes one theft more acceptable than the other.

Colonel Mustard · · Sacramento, CA · Joined Sep 2005 · Points: 1,241
Dale Evans wrote:So the length of time is what makes one theft more acceptable than the other.
You know Dale, I can't really help you any further. Why don't you do the heavy lifting and figure out why leaving your stuff out and expecting it back like an entitled idiot is the ethically superior stance, I don't really care enough.
Paul-B · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2011 · Points: 115

Dale, since your having a hard time with this concept I suggest you refer to page 2 of this forum where another poster cites the park rule as not abandoning gear for more than 24 hours. In addition to basic common sense you now have a delineated time point that one must cross before you should consider taking their gear.

Great thread. Entertained me for a solid 20 minutes

Ben Walburn · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2007 · Points: 680
Russell Holcomb wrote:Ha ha ha, this thread is a hoot! I swear if people had to log in to MP with their real names it would eliminate about 99% of this flaming. Only the true nuts who are willing to meet face to face and duke it out over their beliefs would post flame. Take a look at what you've posted and think about what you might say or not say if you had to log in under your real name and you'll know if you belong in the Internet Coward Club.
Ha!

+1
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Colorado
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