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cassondra l
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Jul 22, 2012
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Nov 2008
· Points: 335
even if people aren't dooking up the canyons, bighorn sheep care little about where they do their business. I've heard they carry giardia.
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Doug Foust
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Jul 22, 2012
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Oroville, WA
· Joined Sep 2008
· Points: 165
I'm more concerned about the squirrels and mud swallows than the sheep
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Eric Coffman
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Jul 23, 2012
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Jun 2009
· Points: 735
Beginners shouldnt be climbing in red rocks...at least those who havent developed a passion for the sport enough to rescue thier own asses. Pass it on not only will it keep the crags clean from gumby's but it will be a financial win for the taxpayer, unless we save money by the few who win the Darwin Awards
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Anonymous
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Jul 23, 2012
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined unknown
· Points: 0
Man alive where are beginners allowed to climb?
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NickinCO
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Jul 23, 2012
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colorado
· Joined Sep 2010
· Points: 155
some of you guys are unbelievable.. As someone who has worked as the rescuer..... those guys are very happy when a call comes in, and all this taxpayer talk is complete bullshit. The money is going to get spent on something or it'll be lost regardless of callouts.
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Eric Coffman
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Jul 23, 2012
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined Jun 2009
· Points: 735
anywhere they want J Hazard as long as you let them know that They're gonna Die!! Just make sure that they have a passion and are serious about climbing before just inviting them to big ass shit. Its common for people to come from their home crag where they kick ass get on new rock in a new area and realize they are in over their head. Saw 3 hotshots try to onsight solo "the eye" in jtree together One dude, his buddy, and one of thier girlfriends. The guys all gung ho got started while the chick put on her shoes the guys were tall and the girl was a little short they got to the top right as she was about a third of the way up. She pulls the first real vertical move from wich it is a scary downclimb and the way up is totally vertical but the holds are somewhat hidden (for a short person like her). They kept telling her to just pull the move and she is trying to find the move for several minutes going up and coming back to the same spot. Then she began visibly shaking. I calmed her down and helped her downclimb (I'm no hero)but it is what it is dont underestimate the rock it is an unforgiving teacher.
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Dow Williams
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Jul 23, 2012
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St. George, Utah; Canmore, AB
· Joined Mar 2006
· Points: 240
We live in a an era of entitlement, whether the obese wanting unlimited access to health care or middle aged, middle class white folks wanting unlimited access to rescue in the backcountry. It is all the same bs to me. Keep living the dream people, keep living the dream.
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Anonymous
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Jul 23, 2012
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined unknown
· Points: 0
I dunno if it is a level of n00bness or just a lack of confidence in ones self(probably because of n00bness) that causes people to freak out in situations that they could easily think their way out of. Personally I am now so mortified of being flamed on on MP that I will never call for help. haha.
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Dow Williams
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Jul 23, 2012
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St. George, Utah; Canmore, AB
· Joined Mar 2006
· Points: 240
peer pressure is a good thing....Sat I was chased by a grizzly, fell 40' with a huge pack trying to jump a 3' log...bruised ribs, broken hand, several gaping wounds...but finished climbing Mount King George yesterday then descended all the way out to worry about wounds...because I knew if I didn't, I would be called a pussy....I appreciate the pressure myself....I don't know...at 50 yrs of age, maybe I need a SPOT....maybe Rob and Killis will get me one for xmas?
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Dow Williams
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Jul 28, 2012
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St. George, Utah; Canmore, AB
· Joined Mar 2006
· Points: 240
Chopper actually is my uncle, no joke dufus. No, I do not carry a cell phone climbing, Canadian Rockies or desert.
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Tom Caldwell
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Aug 29, 2012
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Clemson, S.C.
· Joined Jun 2009
· Points: 3,623
I think the decision to call for help in the future for these two climbers will be all too easy. From 8am to midnight, they only reached the top of the tower! Climbing 5.9 chimney's with no experience and no means for bailing! They went out partying right afterwards. They must have been really dehydrated. This is all ridiculous. I stand by my original assessment, they needed a penalty of some sort. Bail with one rope, leave gear, hike out, return with water and a second rope. Re-climb to high point bail without losing gear or continue to the top.
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Dow Williams
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Aug 29, 2012
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St. George, Utah; Canmore, AB
· Joined Mar 2006
· Points: 240
Where are all their defenders now??? In their own words nonetheless...ignorant blokes to be sure. Yes, where is the f&*$#( bill????????? Should have been handed to them on the 2nd free heli ride...you can tell they got a real rush, like going to Disney World or something...took one rope because they are going to top out no worries???? I have done the route three times,gotten down before dark no worries except for a Feb outing.... contemplating even soloing the damn thing...and still use double ropes when climbing (roped up) such a long route. But no, they just needed a single because no worries even though they never climbed chimney before...seriously where do you find these people? How can anyone possibly defend against charging for rescue services after this statement on the issue? Also, lesson learned posted on the official review of the incident: 5 liters!!! (2 people) are not enough water for this route?...that is pretty funny. Just more mis-information. (Yeah I only drank 2.5 liters of water today on a north facing route...I might die) We had two young folks die up here in Canmore this summer, fell while simul rapping. Official gov mountain safety specialist says in the media..."prussic rap backups would not have made a difference in this case because they were simul rapping"....mis information is abundant
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Robert Fielding
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Aug 30, 2012
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Thousand Oaks, CA
· Joined May 2011
· Points: 195
Dow, That's pretty entertaining. A bunch of yuppies! Get your ass back down to St. George and lets climb. I "ditched the bitch," so i'm going to have some more free time. cheers
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Colonel Mustard
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Aug 31, 2012
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Sacramento, CA
· Joined Sep 2005
· Points: 1,241
Dow's bitter because he did the walk off to that choss heap three times! Hater! Um, I mean, hiker!
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criccia
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May 23, 2014
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Unknown Hometown
· Joined May 2011
· Points: 0
I would have had good ol' "Uncle Pat" shimmy up there and lead the way out! Whenever you're in a jam on Epinephrine, just toot on the ol' grass flute and he come's a climbin'!
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