RRG/NRG Backpack/Camp/Climb suggestions

Derek Huff wrote: I agree.... Not sure why that is the typical comment you get when asking about the new. There are only a few hundred 5.11 and below routes and most of them awesome! If you can lead trad its probably closer to a 1000. I think ryan is just trying to scare people away. We went a few years back when we were climbing only 5.10 and had a great time with tons of stuff to climb. Dont listen to the haters.

while this is 100% true, anytime during the weekends or holidays good luck on any of the "awesome" routes. Especially if you head to orange oswald wall at summersville where (probably) the most concentrated amount of good /classic 5.10's are.

I still do think that if you can comfortably lead 5.11 or 5.12 you will enjoy the new much more than if you can't. But then again that probably goes for most places haha

mozeman wrote: while this is 100% true, anytime during the weekends or holidays good luck on any of the "awesome" routes. Especially if you head to orange oswald wall at summersville where (probably) the most concentrated amount of good /classic 5.10's are. I still do think that if you can comfortably lead 5.11 or 5.12 you will enjoy the new much more than if you can't. But then again that probably goes for most places haha

Pretty much that whole statement applies to ANYWHERE. Go to any climbing area on the weekends and holidays and expect to be waiting to get on the classic 5.10's. And like you said, go ANYWHERE in the US and if you are able to lead 5.12 there are going to be a lot more route options for you... Kinda stating the obvious here arent we.

The new has probably 100-300 good routes that are 5.10 and under. How many areas can say that? My point is that when everyone says "you have to be a solid 5.11 climber to enjoy the New" they are lieing to you.

Derek Huff wrote: Pretty much that whole statement applies to ANYWHERE. Go to any climbing area on the weekends and holidays and expect to be waiting to get on the classic 5.10's. And like you said, go ANYWHERE in the US and if you are able to lead 5.12 there are going to be a lot more route options for you... Kinda stating the obvious here arent we. The new has probably 100-300 good routes that are 5.10 and under. How many areas can say that? My point is that when everyone says "you have to be a solid 5.11 climber to enjoy the New" they are lieing to you.

most "climbing destinations" would have a substantial number of 5.10's that would keep any level climber busy for days. That is after all what makes them a climbing destination isn't it?

And i think that any random person just going on a hike can enjoy the new so obviously someone who says that would be wrong. From a climbing perspective however I think that even a 5.8 could enjoy a weekend at the new, no doubt. There are many places that have great easy climbs (bubba city and summersville to name a few: many classics in the 5.7-5.8 range)

mozeman wrote: most "climbing destinations" would have a substantial number of 5.10's that would keep any level climber busy for days. That is after all what makes them a climbing destination isn't it? And i think that any random person just going on a hike can enjoy the new so obviously someone who says that would be wrong. From a climbing perspective however I think that even a 5.8 could enjoy a weekend at the new, no doubt. There are many places that have great easy climbs (bubba city and summersville to name a few: many classics in the 5.7-5.8 range)

I feel like you are trying to make a point here.... Just unsure what it is.

Derek Huff wrote: I feel like you are trying to make a point here.... Just unsure what it is.

I'm actually agreeing with you...and trying to encourage the original poster to go to the new (as well as subtly mentions some crags)