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Daisy chain from accessory cord

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Joshua Griffin · · Glenwood Springs, CO · Joined May 2012 · Points: 60

Has anyone else made a daisy chain out of cord? If you have, have you used it often and how well did it perform?

I am learning knots... lots of knots and decided to tie a whole bunch of alpine butterfly knots in a piece of 6mm cord. Looks like a decent chain. I can use either figure eights at the ends or bowlines.



Individual knot.


Part of the chain


Joshua
Aric Datesman · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2008 · Points: 145

Well, for starters what's the strength of 6mm cord minus the knot efficiency of an alpine butterfly? You comfortable with that? If so, don't check this thread again, as I predict it'll be a whole lot of "Yer Gonna DIE!!!!".

Forthright · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2011 · Points: 110

Yer might die?

:P

Kevin · · California · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 0
Aric Datesman wrote:Well, for starters what's the strength of 6mm cord minus the knot efficiency of an alpine butterfly? You comfortable with that? If so, don't check this thread again, as I predict it'll be a whole lot of "Yer Gonna DIE!!!!".
Depending on the application, it might be strong enough. Through the loop, butterfly is 67% efficient; 53% if loading both ends of the rope. (cite Wikipedia here )

Sterling's 6mm cord is rated to 19kN, so 10kN - 13kN with new cord. (cite Sterling )
Joshua Griffin · · Glenwood Springs, CO · Joined May 2012 · Points: 60

I don't intend on building anchors with it. More of a PAC while working on an anchor or likewise. I didn't figure this would be anywhere near a good idea as say... a top rope anchor.

No worries though, I already realize that "I GONNA DIE!"

Thanks

mitchy B · · nunya gotdamn business. · Joined Aug 2009 · Points: 0

The idea is kinda cool. I personally would never make one of those and try to rack it on a harness, it looks to bulky. I just have a couple of BD daisies that i use.

Aric Datesman · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2008 · Points: 145
Stephan Doyle wrote: Sterling's 6mm cord is rated to 19kN, so 10kN - 13kN with new cord.
FYI, the one you linked isn't their regular 6mm accessory cord, but rather their tech cord. The 6mm accessory has a breaking strength of 8.8kN. sterlingrope.com/product/45…
wivanoff · · Northeast, USA · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 674
Joshua Griffin wrote:I don't intend on building anchors with it. More of a PAC while working on an anchor or likewise.
Look at a purcell prusic for that. More versatile. Can be used for other things. Can be easily tied as needed right on the spot.
Joshua Griffin · · Glenwood Springs, CO · Joined May 2012 · Points: 60

I had seen someone use a prussic for a personal anchor. Not a bad idea.

Locker · · Yucca Valley, CA · Joined Oct 2002 · Points: 2,349

This looks familiar...

"Yer Gonna DIE!!!!".

LOL!

Joshua Griffin · · Glenwood Springs, CO · Joined May 2012 · Points: 60

Not only am I gonna die, but if I am asking this question I am sure I shouldn't be on MP or climbing at all. Anyway...

The prussic setup uses a figure eight on one side and then a prussic on the other side attached to the same rope toward the figure eight, right? I am sure I could find a photo if I really looked.

Matt N · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 415
wivanoff · · Northeast, USA · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 674
Joshua Griffin wrote:Not only am I gonna die, but if I am asking this question I am sure I shouldn't be on MP or climbing at all. Anyway... The prussic setup uses a figure eight on one side and then a prussic on the other side attached to the same rope toward the figure eight, right? I am sure I could find a photo if I really looked.
Easiest is to clove hitch yourself to the anchor with the climbing rope. You're tied to it anyway. But, if you want to use a leash, I gave you the name: Purcell Prusik
And google is your friend ;)

Purcell howto
Some people grith hitch it to their harness. Others use a locking carabiner.

If you're goal was to make a leash to secure yourself to an anchor between multiple rappels, here's one way. Rappel leash

IMO, a daisy for a leash or your knotted method is least desirable.
Joshua Griffin · · Glenwood Springs, CO · Joined May 2012 · Points: 60

Purcell prussic was what I was trying to explain, thanks. I may try it just to see if I like it. I actually have a daisy chain that I can use when transitioning from leading to rappelling, I just like to seek out multiple methods to everything. "There's more than one way to skin a cat."

kilonot · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2012 · Points: 0

It's funny that when you say your a making a daisy chain people automatically assume you are using it as a PAS.

Joshua Griffin · · Glenwood Springs, CO · Joined May 2012 · Points: 60

Is it just me or do a lot of people dislike PAS's?

Matt N · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2010 · Points: 415
Joshua Griffin wrote:Is it just me or do a lot of people dislike PAS's?
People like to spout about their dislike of them on the interwebs.
wivanoff · · Northeast, USA · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 674
ZachR wrote:It's funny that when you say your a making a daisy chain people automatically assume you are using it as a PAS.
That might be because the OP wrote: "I don't intend on building anchors with it. More of a PAC while working on an anchor or likewise."
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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