Mt Evans Fee Issue
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Is officially settled. |
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Finally. Bastards. |
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What about the people that are employed by the NF that depend on those fees for a wage, that really helps the economy eh. What is wrong with supporting the one branch of the government that does help maintain and protect are recreation areas and wilderness. If you don't pay the fee to use the facilities than I hope that every one packs out there own poop. I would rather pay a couple bucks to use a outhouse than trying to pull the crux with poop in my pack. FYI your NPS pass is good at Mount Evans. |
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The FS amenities which employ those working in conservation are encompassed in the fee. So yes, the amenities concerning the conservation & sanitation high impact areas are fee for use. I agree, the fee itself is not 'all bad.' |
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Glad to hear. |
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I'm glad they hashed this out. |
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Yes, funding for this road comes from our tax$$$, but... how much tax$$ Mt. Evans receives for road maintenance is based off of user numbers and user fees generated by the NF. If you have been on that road lately it is literally falling off the side of the mountain and in poor shape. |
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Rowdy Wrangellian wrote:Yes, funding for this road comes from our tax$$$, but... how much tax$$ Mt. Evans receives for road maintenance is based off of user numbers and user fees generated by the NF. If you have been on that road lately it is literally falling off the side of the mountain and in poor shape.I agree the road has a few issues, the lincoln lake turn is notable, the approach to summit lake as well. However, road maintenance is not based on any fee generated by the forest service, it's a state owned highway. No kidding about Pikes Peak, they love their tank-proof gating system. |
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Buff Johnson wrote: ...However, road maintenance is not based on any fee generated by the forest service, it's a state owned highway.No matter how many times you state this, there is going to be someone tripping over themselves to say how good a person they are for paying unrelated fees. |
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Rowdy Wrangellian wrote: NPS pass that is also good at Mt. Evans.Just to be clear...the NPS pass is NOT good at Mount Evans (or Red Rock Nv. Or 11 mile etc.) A Golden Eagle pass is good at all of those places. There is a difference between the pass that gets you into JUST the National Parks and the Golden Eagle which gets you inot all US fee areas. I'm glad they are doing away with the "fee"...although you haven't actually had to pay it the last few years. I'm curious to see what happens at summit lake....since that area is actually owmed by Denver Mountain Parks...AKA the city of Denver. josh |
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Are you sure? I showed my NP pass and I definitely don't have the golden eagle pass. |
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There is no iron ranger at the fee station to obtain a pass before operating hours. I either just put my GOLDEN EAGLE PASS in the windshield of my car, or if I get a ticket I just track down one of the rangers in the parking lot and they void it. All the NF rangers I have dealt with are super nice and friendly. |
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Rowdy Wrangellian wrote:if you are a climber, you probably love to climb in parks such as RMNP, Black Canyon, Zion, Grand Teton, ect, and should probably already have a NPS pass that is also good at Mt. Evans. So then, why are climbers "bitching" about a user fee. Let the tourist industry of Colorado take care of its self by charging people a reasonable fee for awesome access to a beautiful place. Us climbers already pay the fee for our National Parks, and $80 is a pretty good deal for a pass.Unless you enter the parks before the fee collectors arrive at the gate. I climb in RMNP often enough and alpine starts usually afford you free entry. I also have a low-income state parks pass called the Centennial Pass. Regardless, I agree that our taxes barely fund crap in this country because we "enjoy" some of the lowest tax rates in the industrialized world. I'm just glad they figured out the discrepancy. I still went to Mt. Evans, and even though I knew there was a dispute and a few choice words with the fee collector usually allowed you free driving, but I still paid. |
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Stich wrote: No matter how many times you state this, there is going to be someone tripping over themselves to say how good a person they are for paying unrelated fees.Hah Hah, awesome! As a Denver resident, being asked to pay to drive a State highway to visit a Denver Mtn Park was a little much. Denver Mtn Parks has parking lots and toilets all over the place that they do not charge to visit. |
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J. Thompson wrote: Just to be clear...the NPS pass is NOT good at Mount Evans (or Red Rock Nv. Or 11 mile etc.) A Golden Eagle pass is good at all of those places. There is a difference between the pass that gets you into JUST the National Parks and the Golden Eagle which gets you inot all US fee areas. I'm glad they are doing away with the "fee"...although you haven't actually had to pay it the last few years. I'm curious to see what happens at summit lake....since that area is actually owmed by Denver Mountain Parks...AKA the city of Denver. joshFor federal fee areas there's an Interagency Pass (probably what Rowdy was refering to, and what used to be called the Golden Eagle/Golden Age pass) that covers NPS, Forest Service, BLM, etc. Individual parks sometimes sell an annual pass for just that park, but there's no pass for NPS that excludes other federal areas. If that makes sense... |
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Tony T.-"Unless you enter the parks before the fee collectors arrive at the gate. I climb in RMNP often enough and alpine starts usually afford you free entry." |
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There's no charge for rescue. The mountain rescue team (operating under the county sheriff's authority) runs it's own independent budget based on donations, grants, and some replacement cost items through the dola, which is that small fee tacked onto a license. With the NPS, it's allocated in the annual budget, and they don't charge for rescue either. |
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ShibbyShane wrote: For federal fee areas there's an Interagency Pass (probably what Rowdy was refering to, and what used to be called the Golden Eagle/Golden Age pass) that covers NPS, Forest Service, BLM, etc. Individual parks sometimes sell an annual pass for just that park, but there's no pass for NPS that excludes other federal areas. If that makes sense...Yep I just checked...they've streamlined it in the last couple of years. You used to able to get an 'NPS only' pass...now its all or none. ...and it's now called the "america the beautiful" pass. I've had "Golden eagles" for so long I just always ask for that when I renew! josh |
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J. Thompson wrote: Yep I just checked...they've streamlined it in the last couple of years. You used to able to get an 'NPS only' pass...now its all or none. ...and it's now called the "america the beautiful" pass. I've had "Golden eagles" for so long I just always ask for that when I renew! joshYep, lots of people still do that. No worries. |