Climbing Etiquette - What is it?

Darren in Vegas wrote:I don't even know what to say to any of this other than quit being the fun police and let others do what they will. You can't change the actions of others, but you can change your reaction to the actions of others.

Just by raising the issue you may point out to the otherwise oblivious that their actions affect other people, possibly causing them to modify their behavior.

After scanning this entire thread I feel that virtually everyone except the original poster is either a troll or an inconsiderate jackass. But then I am a cranky geezer who doesn't use chalk, who would consider it an honor to be deputized by the fun police and who goes far out his way to find climbing areas where there are unlikely to be any other parties.

Aeryn: maybe you are only a counter-troll fabrication (if so, good work by the fabricator), but keep fighting the good fight.

Proper etiquette demands belaying topless and bringing a bottle of wine to the crag.

I don't make the rules, people. That's just how it is.

david goldstein wrote: Just by raising the issue you may point out to the otherwise oblivious that their actions affect other people, possibly causing them to modify their behavior. .

It seems to me that you are oblivious that your actions of trying to modify the behavior of others while they are outside and "free" is affecting their good time, so perhaps you should modify your behavior.

the regulars at s.t. use and like chalk

Aeryn wrote:6. Keep quiet unless circumstances indicate otherwise. Lots of us like to get lost in the solitude of the rock

So would this exchange overheard at Jurassic Park be OK?

Boston Mike: "So are you in with your daisy chain?"

Young Guy: "Yeah, I'm not completely retarded, Mike."

Darren in Vegas wrote: It seems to me that you are oblivious that your actions of trying to modify the behavior of others while they are outside and "free" is affecting their good time, so perhaps you should modify your behavior.

I'll bite and pose a hypothetical. Say you had kids, took them to a ballgame and happened to be seated next to a party whose idea of a good time at a sporting event was screaming obscenities towards the field. Would you view asking them to tone it down as "affecting their good time" or would think that their behavior was out of line, not your (presumed) negative reaction to it?

Basically you are saying that people are entitled to act like uncivilized shitheads and it is up to everyone else to deal with it. I know it used to be the other way around, but maybe not anymore.

david goldstein wrote: I'll bite and pose a hypothetical. Say you had kids, took them to a ballgame and happened to be seated next to a party whose idea of a good time at a sporting event was screaming obscenities towards the field. Would you view asking them to tone it down as "affecting their good time" or would think that their behavior was out of line, not your (presumed) negative reaction to it? Basically you are saying that people are entitled to act like uncivilized shitheads and it is up to everyone else to deal with it. I know it used to be the other way around, but maybe not anymore.

Your point is valid, but using chalk and some of these other things you guys are talking about is more like the person sitting next to you at this hypothetical ball game is eating a hot dog and you are a vegetarian, and you ask them to stop eating it.

BurtMachlan wrote: Its not like you contribute anything here, go to supertopo pleaase.

Killis makes entertaining and often insightful contributions and I usually enjoy reading his posts, even if I don't agree with his point... I hope he doesn't leave us for ST.

That's in stark contrast to you, Burt! Maybe you could start posting some actual content on here from time to time?

Ed Rhine wrote:HAHAHAHHAHAH... Etiquette is important but some of this is ridiculous.

+1.

These threads all sound like reasons to get in a snit when people tromp all over these fairly arbitrary rules (as if the internet needed more self-empowered Napoleons in the passive aggresive bent). One thing is fairly universal: don't be an a-hole to others out there, and, failing that, leave the a holes to their a hole ways. Beyond that, who cares? Even some of the major gaffs on the list would represent a very minor inconvenience at best. Much of climbing culture has been a reaction against codified rules, so best of luck to the internet administrators.

david goldstein wrote: Basically you are saying that people are entitled to act like uncivilized shitheads and it is up to everyone else to deal with it. I know it used to be the other way around, but maybe not anymore.

That's todays world, be a shithead, get pissed when people expect a little common decency. "How dare you expect me to behave, you're trampling my rights to trample yours?"

Simple solution, move to the middle of nowhere and hope people don't follow.

david goldstein wrote: I'll bite and pose a hypothetical. Say you had kids, took them to a ballgame and happened to be seated next to a party whose idea of a good time at a sporting event was screaming obscenities towards the field. Would you view asking them to tone it down as "affecting their good time" or would think that their behavior was out of line, not your (presumed) negative reaction to it? Basically you are saying that people are entitled to act like uncivilized shitheads and it is up to everyone else to deal with it. I know it used to be the other way around, but maybe not anymore.

Except that at a baseball game you are on private property and there are actual police that will ask you to leave. Where as when climbing you might be on public land, BLM, FS where there is little or no control, of course if you are in a NP or something, fell free to complain to the rangers packing heat.

I am utterly astonished at a majority of the posts on this thread. Much of what the original poster stated is just about standard in the Australian climbing community.

To people outside of the USA, this forum paints a very very bad picture of the attitude and morals of the USA climbing community.

jasoncm wrote:I am utterly astonished at a majority of the posts on this thread. Much of what the original poster stated is just about standard in the Australian climbing community. To people outside of the USA, this forum paints a very very bad picture of the attitude and morals of the USA climbing community.

Welcome to the internet. If you want to actually pass judgement on the American climbing scene, come on over.

Oh, also, I forgot. Lol at this thread.

jasoncm wrote:I am utterly astonished at a majority of the posts on this thread. Much of what the original poster stated is just about standard in the Australian climbing community. To people outside of the USA, this forum paints a very very bad picture of the attitude and morals of the USA climbing community.

Watch out, you're in the land of Puritan Descendants. We burn witches here buddy, burn 'em alive. Speak common sense and you'll be toasty too.

Climbing Etiquette: Try not to be a dick

Aeryn:
Can I tell you what I hate?
Sharks.
Sharks can tare families apart.
But they're also so majestic.
They are beautiful creatures.
But they're also so ferocious!
So ferocious! One of natures cruel jokes, I guess.

dude, that was a haiku...

jasoncm wrote:I am utterly astonished at a majority of the posts on this thread.

Wow- I would seriously advise you to stay away from Supertopo then! If you think this forum paints a bad picture of American climbers....

jasoncm wrote:I am utterly astonished at a majority of the posts on this thread. Much of what the original poster stated is just about standard in the Australian climbing community. To people outside of the USA, this forum paints a very very bad picture of the attitude and morals of the USA climbing community.

You would be foolish to take one internet thread as a representation of an entire country. Almost as foolish as attempting to dictate the etiquette for all regions and styles of climbing in an entire country.

Nick Stayner wrote: Wow- I would seriously advise you to stay away from Supertopo then! If you think this forum paints a bad picture of American climbers....

Yeah, this stuff is so laughable, it would be tolerated for about .5 seconds there. I'm not sure if it would be lampooned or completely ignored though.